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From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>
Cc: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, joerg.roedel@amd.com,
	yoshikawa.takuya@oss.ntt.co.jp, mtosatti@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/3] Fix task switches into/out of VM86
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 15:27:41 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4F269ACD.80003@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120130121604.GG23536@redhat.com>

On 01/30/2012 02:16 PM, Gleb Natapov wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 01:59:34PM +0200, Avi Kivity wrote:
> > On 01/30/2012 12:50 PM, Gleb Natapov wrote:
> > > On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 12:45:15PM +0200, Avi Kivity wrote:
> > > > On 01/30/2012 12:35 PM, Kevin Wolf wrote:
> > > > > Am 30.01.2012 09:55, schrieb Gleb Natapov:
> > > > > > On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 09:48:33AM +0100, Kevin Wolf wrote:
> > > > > >> Am 27.01.2012 20:52, schrieb Gleb Natapov:
> > > > > >>> On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 08:23:33PM +0100, Kevin Wolf wrote:
> > > > > >>>> I believe this should work with both VMX and SVM now. Gleb, Jörg, can one of
> > > > > >>>> you test this with SVM? I did some testing on my buggy processor and it looks
> > > > > >>>> as good as it gets, but it would be better if you could confirm.
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>> You forgot to set cpl to 3 in vmcb in svm_set_rflags() when vm86 is enabled, no?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> SVM updates the CPL when the segment selector for CS is loaded. From a
> > > > > >> svm.c POV, segment selectors are updated immediately after set_rflags,
> > > > > >> so it wouldn't really make a difference to do it twice.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > > It is too subtle to rely on that. The fact is that checking cpl after
> > > > > > set_rflags provides incorrect value. This better be fixed.
> > > > >
> > > > > Depends on what value you consider to be correct between reloading
> > > > > eflags and reloading cs. I think it's logical and more consistent to say
> > > > > that CPL only changes when cs is reloaded, but you could argue that it's
> > > > > effective with the reload of rflags. It doesn't make a difference to
> > > > > guests, so we can decide to choose whatever we like.
> > > > 
> > > > It's best to make it independent (like svm, and force vmx to emulate
> > > > this behaviour).  Real mode forces cpl to 0, vm86 forces cpl to 3,
> > > > protected mode (and I think long mode) uses cs.rpl.
> > > This is what vmx does, not svm. 
> > 
> > That's the architectural definition, except for mode switch sequences. 
> > vmx implements it directly which means that mode switch sequences
> > sometimes fail, either in guest software (setting cr0.pe while cs & 3 !=
> > 0) or in "microcode" (emulate.c).
> > 
> > > svm checks vmcb->cpl that can be
> > > outdated during emulation.
> > 
> > This decoupling is actually helpful, since you can defer the cpl change
> > until the end of the switch, and avoid inconsistencies like those
> > checked by cs_ss_rpl_check().
> > 
> I am not saying it is not helpful. The fact that it exists tells us
> that dpl and cpl are not always the same.  But cpl change should not be
> delayed until the end of the switch! Mode switch happens in the middle of
> a task switch. Task switch happens in 3 stages according to the spec. If
> error happens during the first one (steps 1-11) it is handled by an old
> task, if error happens during second stage (12 this is where mode change
> happens) then anything can happen (we may kill vcpu till reset if we wish)
> after that new task is running and all errors are handled by a new task.

Agree.

> To model this accurately we need to do task switch in this three stages
> too and do a full register writeback after stage 2 before stage 3. Or
> alternatively emulator should never access vcpu state during emulation.
> Entire vcpu state should be in emulation ctx. But this is more
> complicated and slow. 

Speed is immaterial here, but I agree about the complexity.  I guess we
should do full writeback after stage 2.

-- 
error compiling committee.c: too many arguments to function


  reply	other threads:[~2012-01-30 13:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-01-27 19:23 [PATCH v2 0/3] Fix task switches into/out of VM86 Kevin Wolf
2012-01-27 19:23 ` [PATCH v2 1/3] KVM: x86 emulator: Fix task switch privilege checks Kevin Wolf
2012-01-30 10:39   ` Avi Kivity
2012-01-30 11:12     ` Kevin Wolf
2012-01-27 19:23 ` [PATCH v2 2/3] KVM: x86 emulator: VM86 segments must have DPL 3 Kevin Wolf
2012-01-27 19:23 ` [PATCH v2 3/3] KVM: x86 emulator: Allow PM/VM86 switch during task switch Kevin Wolf
2012-01-30 10:24   ` Avi Kivity
2012-01-30 10:56     ` Gleb Natapov
2012-01-30 12:02       ` Avi Kivity
2012-01-30 12:04         ` Gleb Natapov
2012-01-30 13:24           ` Avi Kivity
2012-01-30 11:05     ` Kevin Wolf
2012-01-30 11:09       ` Gleb Natapov
2012-01-30 13:23       ` Avi Kivity
2012-01-30 14:01         ` Kevin Wolf
2012-01-30 14:32           ` Avi Kivity
2012-01-30 15:26             ` Kevin Wolf
2012-01-30 15:44               ` Avi Kivity
2012-01-30 15:55               ` Takuya Yoshikawa
2012-01-31  9:37               ` Gleb Natapov
2012-01-31 10:26                 ` Avi Kivity
2012-01-27 19:52 ` [PATCH v2 0/3] Fix task switches into/out of VM86 Gleb Natapov
2012-01-30  8:48   ` Kevin Wolf
2012-01-30  8:55     ` Gleb Natapov
2012-01-30 10:22       ` Gleb Natapov
2012-01-30 10:35       ` Kevin Wolf
2012-01-30 10:45         ` Avi Kivity
2012-01-30 10:50           ` Gleb Natapov
2012-01-30 11:59             ` Avi Kivity
2012-01-30 12:16               ` Gleb Natapov
2012-01-30 13:27                 ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2012-01-30 12:31               ` Gleb Natapov
2012-01-30 13:28                 ` Avi Kivity
2012-01-30 13:29                   ` Gleb Natapov
2012-01-30 13:39                     ` Avi Kivity
2012-01-30 10:47         ` Gleb Natapov

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