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From: Krish Sadhukhan <krish.sadhukhan@oracle.com>
To: Jim Mattson <jmattson@google.com>
Cc: Nadav Amit <namit@vmware.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [kvm-unit-tests PATCH] x86: svm: low CR3 bits are not MBZ
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2020 16:13:30 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4bb7c975-70dd-0247-3824-973229f3337b@oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALMp9eSoRSKBvNwjm5fpPG2XDJnnC1b-tm68P-K_Jnyab4aPMg@mail.gmail.com>


On 7/15/20 4:12 PM, Jim Mattson wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 3:40 PM Krish Sadhukhan
> <krish.sadhukhan@oracle.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 7/15/20 3:27 PM, Nadav Amit wrote:
>>>> On Jul 15, 2020, at 3:21 PM, Krish Sadhukhan <krish.sadhukhan@oracle.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 7/13/20 4:30 PM, Nadav Amit wrote:
>>>>>> On Jul 13, 2020, at 4:17 PM, Krish Sadhukhan <krish.sadhukhan@oracle.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>>>>> I am just saying that the APM language "should be cleared to 0" is misleading if the processor doesn't enforce it.
>>>>> Just to ensure I am clear - I am not blaming you in any way. I also found
>>>>> the phrasing confusing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Having said that, if you (or anyone else) reintroduces “positive” tests, in
>>>>> which the VM CR3 is modified to ensure VM-entry succeeds when the reserved
>>>>> non-MBZ bits are set, please ensure the tests fails gracefully. The
>>>>> non-long-mode CR3 tests crashed since the VM page-tables were incompatible
>>>>> with the paging mode.
>>>>>
>>>>> In other words, instead of setting a VMMCALL instruction in the VM to trap
>>>>> immediately after entry, consider clearing the present-bits in the high
>>>>> levels of the NPT; or injecting some exception that would trigger exit
>>>>> during vectoring or something like that.
>>>>>
>>>>> P.S.: If it wasn’t clear, I am not going to fix KVM itself for some obvious
>>>>> reasons.
>>>> I think since the APM is not clear, re-adding any test that tests those bits, is like adding a test with "undefined behavior" to me.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Paolo, Should I send a KVM patch to remove checks for those non-MBZ reserved bits ?
>>> Which non-MBZ reserved bits (other than those that I addressed) do you refer
>>> to?
>>>
>> I am referring to,
>>
>>       "[PATCH 2/3 v4] KVM: nSVM: Check that MBZ bits in CR3 and CR4 are
>> not set on vmrun of nested guests"
>>
>> in which I added the following:
>>
>>
>> +#define MSR_CR3_LEGACY_RESERVED_MASK        0xfe7U
>> +#define MSR_CR3_LEGACY_PAE_RESERVED_MASK    0x7U
>> +#define MSR_CR3_LONG_RESERVED_MASK        0xfff0000000000fe7U
> In my experience, the APM generally distinguishes between "reserved"
> and "reserved, MBZ." The low bits you have indicated for CR3 are
> marked only as "reserved" in Figures 3-4, 3-5, and 3-6 of the APM,
> volume 2. Only bits 63:52 are marked as "reserved, MBZ." (In fact,
> Figure 3-6 of the May 2020 version of the APM, revision 3.35, also
> calls out bits 11:0 as the PCID when CR4.PCIDE is set.)
>
> Of course, you could always test the behavior. :-)

I did some experiments on the processor behavior on an Epyc 2 system via 
KVM:

    1. MBZ bits:  VMRUN passes even if these bits are set to 1 and guest 
is exiting with exit code of            SVM_EXIT_VMMCALL. According to 
the APM, this settting should constitute an invalid guest state and 
hence I should get and exit code of SVM_EXIT_ERR. There's no KVM check 
in place for these CR3 bits, so the check is all done in hardware.

    2. non-MBZ reserved bits:  Based on Nadav Amit's suggestion, I set 
the 'not present' bit in an upper level NPT in order to trigger an NPF 
and I did get an exit code of SVM_EXIT_NPF when I set any of these bits. 
I am hoping that the processor has done the consistency check before it 
tripped on NPF and not the other way around, so that our test is useful :

     In PAE-legacy and non-PAE-legacy modes, the guest doesn't exit with 
SVM_EXIT_VMMCALL when these bits are set to 0. I am not sure if I am 
missing any special setting for the PAE-legacy and non-PAE-legacy modes. 
In long-mode, however, the processor seems to behave as per APM, i.e., 
guest exits with SVM_EXIT_VMMCALL when these bits are set to 0.


  reply	other threads:[~2020-08-04 23:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-07-13  4:39 [kvm-unit-tests PATCH] x86: svm: low CR3 bits are not MBZ Nadav Amit
2020-07-13 23:06 ` Krish Sadhukhan
2020-07-13 23:11   ` Nadav Amit
2020-07-13 23:17     ` Krish Sadhukhan
2020-07-13 23:30       ` Nadav Amit
2020-07-15 22:21         ` Krish Sadhukhan
2020-07-15 22:27           ` Nadav Amit
2020-07-15 22:39             ` Krish Sadhukhan
2020-07-15 22:51               ` Nadav Amit
2020-07-15 23:12               ` Jim Mattson
2020-08-04 23:13                 ` Krish Sadhukhan [this message]
2020-08-18  6:38                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-08-18 18:25                     ` Krish Sadhukhan
2020-08-29  1:39                       ` Krish Sadhukhan
2020-07-28 21:27           ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-07-28 21:27 ` Paolo Bonzini

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