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From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>
Cc: Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>,
	seabios@seabios.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] tsc: use kvmclock for calibration
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 13:56:51 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <50278BF3.6000600@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120809190203.GE20889@amt.cnet>

On 08/09/2012 10:02 PM, Marcelo Tosatti wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 09, 2012 at 05:20:11PM +0300, Avi Kivity wrote:
>> On 08/09/2012 05:18 PM, Gerd Hoffmann wrote:
>> >   Hi,
>> > 
>> >>> So what do you suggest?  The options I see are:
>> >>>
>> >>>   (1) Use this patch (with alignment issue fixed of course).
>> >>>   (2) Do a full kvmclock implementation.  Feels a bit like overkill.
>> >>>   (3) SeaBIOS can fallback to the PIT for timing on machines which
>> >>>       have no TSC.  We could do that too in case we detect kvm ...
>> >> 
>> >> What sort of timeouts are these?  If seconds, maybe the rtc would be best.
>> > 
>> > All sorts of timeouts, from a few miliseconds to seconds.
>> > 
>> > The problematic ones are the longer timeouts, which wait for I/O stuff
>> > like disk reads complete.  The stuff with smaller timeouts (like waiting
>> > for AHCI link become ready) tend to finish instantly in kvm.
>> 
>> That's not guaranteed.  The AHCI adapter might be real hardware.  Or the
>> emulation may change.
>> 
>> What's wrong with having a full kvmclock implementation?  Instead of
>> issuing rdtsc call a function pointer.
> 
> Its not necessary (someone is going to maintain the kvmclock frequency
> retrieve, which patch is already here, versus maintainance of 
> full kvmclock).

The frequency is meaninless.

> 
> Frequency scaling (or the software equivalent: TSC trapping) are
> required for other reasons anyway.

One thing we can do is enable TSC trapping, then disable it if the guest
activates kvmclock.  That gives us accurate time either way.


-- 
error compiling committee.c: too many arguments to function

  reply	other threads:[~2012-08-12 10:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-08-09 11:57 [PATCH] tsc: use kvmclock for calibration Gerd Hoffmann
2012-08-09 12:53 ` Avi Kivity
2012-08-09 13:25   ` [SeaBIOS] " Fred .
2012-08-09 13:57   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2012-08-09 14:01     ` Avi Kivity
2012-08-09 14:05       ` Avi Kivity
2012-08-09 14:12         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2012-08-09 14:17           ` Avi Kivity
2012-08-09 14:18       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2012-08-09 14:20         ` Avi Kivity
2012-08-09 19:02           ` Marcelo Tosatti
2012-08-12 10:56             ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2012-08-09 19:09       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2012-08-10  7:18         ` Gleb Natapov
2012-08-10  7:30           ` Gleb Natapov
2012-08-10  8:10         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2012-08-10 21:26           ` Marcelo Tosatti
2012-08-13 10:37             ` Gerd Hoffmann
2012-08-13 10:46               ` Gleb Natapov
2012-08-13 12:55                 ` [SeaBIOS] " Fred .
2012-08-12  9:00           ` Avi Kivity
2012-08-09 18:59   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2012-08-12  9:01     ` Avi Kivity

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