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From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: "Gabriel L. Somlo" <gsomlo@gmail.com>
Cc: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>,
	"kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	"eddie.dong@intel.com" <eddie.dong@intel.com>,
	Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>,
	"qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC] kvm: ignore apic polarity
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 00:31:27 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <530FCACF.40100@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140227231312.GH17184@ERROL.INI.CMU.EDU>

Il 28/02/2014 00:13, Gabriel L. Somlo ha scritto:
> On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 11:30:55PM +0100, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
>> Il 27/02/2014 22:41, Gabriel L. Somlo ha scritto:
>>> On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 07:05:49PM +0200, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
>>>> apic polarity in KVM does not work: too many things assume active high.
>>>> Let's not pretend it works, let's just ignore polarity flag.  If we ever
>>>> want to emulate it exactly, this will need a feature flag anyway.
>>>>
>>>> Also report this to userspace: this makes it
>>>> possible to report the interrupt active-low
>>>> in ACPI, this way we are closer to real hardware.
>>>>
>>>> This patch fixes OSX running on KVM.
>>>>
>>>> Reported-by: "Gabriel L. Somlo" <gsomlo@gmail.com>
>>>> Signed-off-by: Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com>
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>
>>> So, the way I understand this (and I'm writing this mainly for myself,
>>> to make sure I understand correctly, so please kick me if I got it
>>> wrong), ACPI tells the guest OS how to configure "physical" ioapic polarity.
>>>
>>> With ActiveHigh, "physical" == "logical", i.e. "high" == "asserted"
>>> and "low" == "deasserted".
>>>
>>> With ActiveLow, "physical" == !"logical", so the other way around.
>>>
>>> QEMU being hard-coded to ActiveHigh is the moral equivalent of always
>>> sending the kernel (KVM) "logical" line states, rather than "physical"
>>> ones.
>>>
>>> Assuming KVM's userland clients are all coded for ActiveHigh, we can
>>> (should, for sanity's sake) just assume line states from userland are
>>> logical, and stop paying attention the polarity bits. That way,
>>> misbehaving guests [*] can configure their ioapics as they please, and
>>> things will just work OK regardless.
>>>
>>> As you pointed out earlier, even KVM itself already kind-of assumes
>>> ActiveHigh (e.g. in __kvm_irq_line_state(), which should be coded
>>> differently if ActiveLow were a serious possibility, and, BTW,
>>> irq_states[irq] would probably have to be initialized to all-1's if
>>> ActiveLow wre used, etc, etc).
>>
>> This is a much better description.  Can you turn it into a patch to
>> Documentation/virtual/kvm/api.txt and a more complete commit
>> message?
>
> Do you mean one patch to change both virt/kvm/ioapic.c and
> Documentation/virtual/kvm/api.txt ? Or a separate documentation patch ?
> (sorry for my ignorance, I'm new to being a KVM contributor :) )

Yes.

> I think removing the polarity xor from KVM is about giving up on
> trying to add ActiveLow support to QEMU altogether. What I tested
> was what would happen if Linux (which pays attention to ACPI) were
> told to use ActiveLow, but thre rest of QEMU continued being hardcoded
> as ActiveHigh. Basically, another datapoint similar to what happens
> with OS X, which completely ignores ACPI and configures the ioapic as
> ActiveLow (even while running on ActiveHigh "hardware", i.e. QEMU).
>
> With KVM no longer paying attention to the polarity bit, things work
> fine, both with Linux-thinking-it's-ActiveLow, and with OS X.
>
> But, since QEMU will stay ActiveHigh, I don't think TCG will be
> impacted in any way by this change.

If you change ACPI tables to ActiveLow, and leave the polarity inversion 
in hw/intc/ioapic.c, then it will matter.

> (Hmmm, maybe this one of the reasons I never got OS X to boot without
> -enable-kvm... I should look at the QEMU hw/intc/ioapic*.c, and see if
> *it* cares about guest-configured polarity, and maybe get it to *stop*
> caring :)

Exactly my point. :)

Paolo

  reply	other threads:[~2014-02-27 23:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20140130204423.GK29329@ERROL.INI.CMU.EDU>
2014-02-11 18:23 ` RFC: ioapic polarity vs. qemu os-x guest Gabriel L. Somlo
2014-02-11 19:54   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-02-11 21:35     ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2014-02-14 21:13     ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2014-02-14 21:21       ` Alexander Graf
2014-02-14 22:06         ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2014-02-14 22:13           ` Alexander Graf
2014-02-16 11:18             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-02-16 11:41             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-02-16 14:47               ` Alex Williamson
2014-02-16 16:23                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-02-17 17:57                   ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2014-02-17 18:01                     ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2014-02-17 18:06                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-02-17 19:38                         ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2014-02-18  0:58                           ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2014-02-27 17:05                   ` [PATCH RFC] kvm: ignore apic polarity Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-02-27 21:41                     ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2014-02-27 22:30                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-02-27 23:13                         ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2014-02-27 23:31                           ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
2014-02-28  4:06                             ` [RFC PATCH v2] kvm: x86: ignore ioapic polarity Gabriel L. Somlo
2014-03-02 14:55                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-03-13 10:53                               ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-03-13 13:43                                 ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2014-02-28  4:55                         ` [PATCH RFC] kvm: ignore apic polarity Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-02-28  8:10                           ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-02-28  8:11                           ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-03-01  5:03                     ` Alex Williamson
2014-02-16 11:34       ` RFC: ioapic polarity vs. qemu os-x guest Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-02-16 15:12         ` [Qemu-devel] " Peter Maydell
2014-02-16 11:37       ` Michael S. Tsirkin

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