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From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>
Cc: kvm@vger.kernel.org, Luiz Capitulino <lcapitulino@redhat.com>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, Radim Krcmar <rkrcmar@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [patch 2/2] KVM: x86: add option to advance tscdeadline hrtimer expiration
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 18:53:48 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <548888AC.8010305@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20141210173411.GA21295@amt.cnet>



On 10/12/2014 18:34, Marcelo Tosatti wrote:
>> > Let's start with a kvm-unit-tests patch to measure this value.
> I can, but kvm-unit-test register state will not be similar to
> actual guest state (think host/guest state loading).

7us is about 20000 clock cycles.  A lightweight vmexit is an order of
magnitude less expensive, and half of the vmexit overhead is the VMRUN
instruction itself.  All in all, the host/guest state loading should not
matter (or should matter little).

> What is the advantage of using a kvm-unit-test test rather
> than cyclictest in the guest ?

That it starts in <3 seconds, and that you can vary the timer frequency
in order to measure jitter in addition to latency.

>> We can then decide whether to hardcode a small default value (e.g.
>> 1000-3000) and make it a module parameter?  Or perhaps start with a
>> higher value (twice what you find in practice?) and adjust it towards a
>> target every time wait_lapic_expire is called.  But in order to judge
>> the correct approach, I need to see the numbers.
> 
> Problem with automatic adjustment is: what is the correct target?

We cannot say without seeing the numbers, particularly the jitter.  This
is why I want to see numbers for varying frequencies (from 100us to 10ms
per tick, say).

> You want faster instances of apic_timer_fn->vm-entry to spin a bit,
> and allow slow instances of apic_timer_fn->vm-entry to have
> an effective advancement.

If it is small enogh, you can make the timer a little "early" (increase
advance) by a small amount on every delivered interrupt.  This prepares
for a slow instance.

And you can make the timer less "early" (decrease advance) by some
percentage of what you had to wait on every wait_lapic_expire, if you
had to wait more than a given threshold.  This avoids that you wait too
much on consecutive fast instances.

Paolo

  reply	other threads:[~2014-12-10 17:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-12-10 16:53 [patch 0/2] KVM: add option to advance tscdeadline hrtimer expiration Marcelo.Tosatti
2014-12-10 16:53 ` [patch 1/2] KVM: x86: add method to test PIR bitmap vector Marcelo.Tosatti
2014-12-10 16:53 ` [patch 2/2] KVM: x86: add option to advance tscdeadline hrtimer expiration Marcelo.Tosatti
2014-12-10 17:08   ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-12-10 17:34     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2014-12-10 17:53       ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2014-12-10 17:06 [patch 0/2] KVM: add option to advance tscdeadline hrtimer expiration (v2) Marcelo Tosatti
2014-12-10 17:06 ` [patch 2/2] KVM: x86: add option to advance tscdeadline hrtimer expiration Marcelo Tosatti
2014-12-10 17:11   ` Rik van Riel
2014-12-10 20:57 [patch 0/2] KVM: add option to advance tscdeadline hrtimer expiration (v3) Marcelo Tosatti
2014-12-10 20:57 ` [patch 2/2] KVM: x86: add option to advance tscdeadline hrtimer expiration Marcelo Tosatti
2014-12-10 23:37   ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-12-11  3:07     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2014-12-11 18:58       ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-12-11 20:48       ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-12-11 20:58         ` Marcelo Tosatti
2014-12-11 21:07           ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-12-11 21:37             ` Rik van Riel
2014-12-11 21:10         ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-12-11 21:16           ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-12-11 21:27             ` Marcelo Tosatti
2014-12-11 21:29               ` Marcelo Tosatti
2014-12-12 18:35   ` Radim Krcmar

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