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From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: "'Roman Kagan'" <rkagan@virtuozzo.com>,
	Pavel Fedin <p.fedin@samsung.com>,
	"'Andrey Smetanin'" <asmetanin@virtuozzo.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, "'Gleb Natapov'" <gleb@kernel.org>,
	"'Joerg Roedel'" <joro@8bytes.org>,
	"'K. Y. Srinivasan'" <kys@microsoft.com>,
	"'Haiyang Zhang'" <haiyangz@microsoft.com>,
	"'Denis V. Lunev'" <den@openvz.org>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 4/5] kvm/x86: Hyper-V VMBus hypercall userspace exit
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 18:02:25 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <569FBDA1.7010704@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160120152034.GA3947@rkaganb.sw.ru>



On 20/01/2016 16:20, 'Roman Kagan' wrote:
>> > Because, as the docs say, we don't want to do that.  We want to use
>> > KVM_EXIT_IO or KVM_EXIT_MMIO, with two exceptions: s390 and wherever we
>> > can't do that for compatibility purposes.
> I must admit I saw this part in the docs but failed to understand it.
> 
> Is it supposed to mean that we want to avoid using hypercalls as a means
> of guest communications with the host userspace in general, and use PIO
> or MMIO instead, unless hypercalls are mandated by a guest implemenation
> we can't affect (as is the case for Hyper-V)?

In this case we use hypercalls. :)

However, we use a separate exit instead of putting everything under
KVM_EXIT_HYPERCALL.  This, as you mentioned, has the advantage that you
can customize it according to the calling convention (which may help
avoiding TOCTTOU issues, too).

> Because *implementing* Hyper-V hypercalls in terms of KVM_EXIT_IO or
> KVM_EXIT_MMIO looked hard at best.
> 
>> > So we should not add a new exit
> Why?  VCPU exit codes are not a scarse resource.

Indeed, but grouping makes things easier to understand.

> So far we've envisaged two reasons for VCPU exit related to hyper-v: one
> for hyper-v MSRs and the other for hypercalls.  Since there was a
> discussion on implementing generic MSR access by Peter we thought it
> wiser to introduce a new VCPU exit for hyper-v hypercalls to avoid
> interfering with the MSR implementation.

That's a good idea.  However, I think I'm not going to accept the MSR
exit feature, and then the current Hyper-V exit API makes some sense
indeed (it's just 3 values, transferring them all at once is not
expensive at all).

Paolo

  reply	other threads:[~2016-01-20 17:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-01-12 10:50 [PATCH v1 0/5] KVM: Hyper-V VMBus hypercalls Andrey Smetanin
2016-01-12 10:50 ` [PATCH v1 1/5] kvm/x86: Rename Hyper-V long spin wait hypercall Andrey Smetanin
2016-01-12 10:50 ` [PATCH v1 2/5] drivers/hv: Move VMBus hypercall codes into Hyper-V UAPI header Andrey Smetanin
2016-01-20 15:04   ` KY Srinivasan
2016-01-12 10:50 ` [PATCH v1 3/5] kvm/x86: Pass return code of kvm_emulate_hypercall Andrey Smetanin
2016-01-12 10:50 ` [PATCH v1 4/5] kvm/x86: Hyper-V VMBus hypercall userspace exit Andrey Smetanin
2016-01-14  8:30   ` Pavel Fedin
2016-01-14 10:20     ` 'Roman Kagan'
2016-01-14 10:50       ` Pavel Fedin
2016-01-14 11:52         ` 'Roman Kagan'
2016-01-20 13:59     ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-01-20 14:41       ` Pavel Fedin
2016-01-20 15:20       ` 'Roman Kagan'
2016-01-20 17:02         ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
2016-01-20 17:31           ` 'Roman Kagan'
2016-01-20 21:05             ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-01-20 13:43   ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-01-20 16:51     ` Roman Kagan
2016-01-12 10:50 ` [PATCH v1 5/5] kvm/x86: Reject Hyper-V hypercall continuation Andrey Smetanin
2016-01-12 11:19 ` [PATCH v1 0/5] KVM: Hyper-V VMBus hypercalls Andrey Smetanin
2016-01-19  7:49 ` Denis V. Lunev
2016-01-19 16:47   ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-01-20 14:08     ` Paolo Bonzini

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