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From: Kirti Wankhede <kwankhede@nvidia.com>
To: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>,
	Neo Jia <cjia@nvidia.com>, "Tian, Kevin" <kevin.tian@intel.com>
Cc: "Song, Jike" <jike.song@intel.com>,
	Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Lv, Zhiyuan" <zhiyuan.lv@intel.com>,
	"Ruan, Shuai" <shuai.ruan@intel.com>,
	"kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	"igvt-g@lists.01.org" <igvt-g@ml01.01.org>
Subject: Re: VFIO based vGPU(was Re: [Announcement] 2015-Q3 release of XenGT - a Mediated ...)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 02:25:32 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <56A92EC4.5050105@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1453910459.6261.1.camel@redhat.com>



On 1/27/2016 9:30 PM, Alex Williamson wrote:
> On Wed, 2016-01-27 at 13:36 +0530, Kirti Wankhede wrote:
>>
>> On 1/27/2016 1:36 AM, Alex Williamson wrote:
>>> On Tue, 2016-01-26 at 02:20 -0800, Neo Jia wrote:
>>>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 09:45:14PM +0000, Tian, Kevin wrote:
>>>>>> From: Alex Williamson [mailto:alex.williamson@redhat.com]
>>>>
>>>> Hi Alex, Kevin and Jike,
>>>>
>>>> (Seems I shouldn't use attachment, resend it again to the list, patches are
>>>> inline at the end)
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for adding me to this technical discussion, a great opportunity
>>>> for us to design together which can bring both Intel and NVIDIA vGPU solution to
>>>> KVM platform.
>>>>
>>>> Instead of directly jumping to the proposal that we have been working on
>>>> recently for NVIDIA vGPU on KVM, I think it is better for me to put out couple
>>>> quick comments / thoughts regarding the existing discussions on this thread as
>>>> fundamentally I think we are solving the same problem, DMA, interrupt and MMIO.
>>>>
>>>> Then we can look at what we have, hopefully we can reach some consensus soon.
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, and since you're creating and destroying the vgpu here, this is
>>>>> where I'd expect a struct device to be created and added to an IOMMU
>>>>> group.  The lifecycle management should really include links between
>>>>> the vGPU and physical GPU, which would be much, much easier to do with
>>>>> struct devices create here rather than at the point where we start
>>>>> doing vfio "stuff".
>>>>
>>>> Infact to keep vfio-vgpu to be more generic, vgpu device creation and management
>>>> can be centralized and done in vfio-vgpu. That also include adding to IOMMU
>>>> group and VFIO group.
>>> Is this really a good idea?  The concept of a vgpu is not unique to
>>> vfio, we want vfio to be a driver for a vgpu, not an integral part of
>>> the lifecycle of a vgpu.  That certainly doesn't exclude adding
>>> infrastructure to make lifecycle management of a vgpu more consistent
>>> between drivers, but it should be done independently of vfio.  I'll go
>>> back to the SR-IOV model, vfio is often used with SR-IOV VFs, but vfio
>>> does not create the VF, that's done in coordination with the PF making
>>> use of some PCI infrastructure for consistency between drivers.
>>>
>>> It seems like we need to take more advantage of the class and driver
>>> core support to perhaps setup a vgpu bus and class with vfio-vgpu just
>>> being a driver for those devices.
>>
>> For device passthrough or SR-IOV model, PCI devices are created by PCI
>> bus driver and from the probe routine each device is added in vfio group.
>
> An SR-IOV VF is created by the PF driver using standard interfaces
> provided by the PCI core.  The IOMMU group for a VF is added by the
> IOMMU driver when the device is created on the pci_bus_type.  The probe
> routine of the vfio bus driver (vfio-pci) is what adds the device into
> the vfio group.
>
>> For vgpu, there should be a common module that create vgpu device, say
>> vgpu module, add vgpu device to an IOMMU group and then add it to vfio
>> group.  This module can handle management of vgpus. Advantage of keeping
>> this module a separate module than doing device creation in vendor
>> modules is to have generic interface for vgpu management, for example,
>> files /sys/class/vgpu/vgpu_start and  /sys/class/vgpu/vgpu_shudown and
>> vgpu driver registration interface.
>
> But you're suggesting something very different from the SR-IOV model.
> If we wanted to mimic that model, the GPU specific driver should create
> the vgpu using services provided by a common interface.  For instance
> i915 could call a new vgpu_device_create() which creates the device,
> adds it to the vgpu class, etc.  That vgpu device should not be assumed
> to be used with vfio though, that should happen via a separate probe
> using a vfio-vgpu driver.  It's that vfio bus driver that will add the
> device to a vfio group.
>

In that case vgpu driver should provide a driver registration interface 
to register vfio-vgpu driver.

struct vgpu_driver {
	const char *name;
	int (*probe) (struct vgpu_device *vdev);
	void (*remove) (struct vgpu_device *vdev);
}

int vgpu_register_driver(struct vgpu_driver *driver)
{
...
}
EXPORT_SYMBOL(vgpu_register_driver);

int vgpu_unregister_driver(struct vgpu_driver *driver)
{
...
}
EXPORT_SYMBOL(vgpu_unregister_driver);

vfio-vgpu driver registers to vgpu driver. Then from 
vgpu_device_create(), after creating the device it calls 
vgpu_driver->probe(vgpu_device) and vfio-vgpu driver adds the device to 
vfio group.

+--------------+    vgpu_register_driver()+---------------+
|     __init() +------------------------->+               |
|              |                          |               |
|              +<-------------------------+    vgpu.ko    |
| vfio_vgpu.ko |   probe()/remove()       |               |
|              |                +---------+               +---------+
+--------------+                |         +-------+-------+         |
                                 |                 ^                 |
                                 | callback        |                 |
                                 |         +-------+--------+        |
                                 |         |vgpu_register_device()   |
                                 |         |                |        |
                                 +---^-----+-----+    +-----+------+-+
                                     | nvidia.ko |    |  i915.ko   |
                                     |           |    |            |
                                     +-----------+    +------------+

Is my understanding correct?

Thanks,
Kirti


>> In the patch, vgpu_dev.c + vgpu_sysfs.c form such vgpu module and
>> vgpu_vfio.c is for VFIO interface. Each vgpu device should be added to
>> vfio group, so vgpu_group_init() from vgpu_vfio.c should be called per
>> device. In the vgpu module, vgpu devices are created on request, so
>> vgpu_group_init() should be called explicitly for per vgpu device.
>>    That’s why had merged the 2 modules, vgpu + vgpu_vfio to form one vgpu
>> module.  Vgpu_vfio would remain separate entity but merged with vgpu
>> module.
>
> I disagree with this design, creation of a vgpu necessarily involves the
> GPU driver and should not be tied to use of the vgpu with vfio.  vfio
> should be a driver for the device, maybe eventually not the only driver
> for the device.  Thanks,
>
> Alex
>

  reply	other threads:[~2016-01-27 20:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-01-18  2:39 VFIO based vGPU(was Re: [Announcement] 2015-Q3 release of XenGT - a Mediated ...) Jike Song
2016-01-18  4:47 ` Alex Williamson
2016-01-18  8:56   ` Jike Song
2016-01-18 19:05     ` Alex Williamson
2016-01-20  8:59       ` Jike Song
2016-01-20  9:05         ` Tian, Kevin
2016-01-25 11:34           ` Jike Song
2016-01-25 21:30             ` Alex Williamson
2016-01-25 21:45               ` Tian, Kevin
2016-01-25 21:48                 ` Tian, Kevin
2016-01-26  9:48                 ` Neo Jia
2016-01-26 10:20                 ` Neo Jia
2016-01-26 19:24                   ` Tian, Kevin
2016-01-26 19:29                     ` Neo Jia
2016-01-26 20:06                   ` Alex Williamson
2016-01-26 21:38                     ` Tian, Kevin
2016-01-26 22:28                     ` Neo Jia
2016-01-26 23:30                       ` Alex Williamson
2016-01-27  9:14                         ` Neo Jia
2016-01-27 16:10                           ` Alex Williamson
2016-01-27 21:48                             ` Neo Jia
2016-01-27  8:06                     ` Kirti Wankhede
2016-01-27 16:00                       ` Alex Williamson
2016-01-27 20:55                         ` Kirti Wankhede [this message]
2016-01-27 21:58                           ` Alex Williamson
2016-01-28  3:01                             ` Kirti Wankhede
2016-01-26  7:41               ` Jike Song
2016-01-26 14:05                 ` Yang Zhang
2016-01-26 16:37                   ` Alex Williamson
2016-01-26 21:21                     ` Tian, Kevin
2016-01-26 21:30                       ` Neo Jia
2016-01-26 21:43                         ` Tian, Kevin
2016-01-26 21:43                       ` Alex Williamson
2016-01-26 21:50                         ` Tian, Kevin
2016-01-26 22:07                           ` Alex Williamson
2016-01-26 22:15                             ` Tian, Kevin
2016-01-26 22:27                               ` Alex Williamson
2016-01-26 22:39                                 ` Tian, Kevin
2016-01-26 22:56                                   ` Alex Williamson
2016-01-27  1:47                                     ` Jike Song
2016-01-27  3:07                                       ` Alex Williamson
2016-01-27  5:43                                         ` Jike Song
2016-01-27 16:19                                           ` Alex Williamson
2016-01-28  6:00                                             ` Jike Song
2016-01-28 15:23                                               ` Alex Williamson
2016-01-29  7:20                                                 ` Jike Song
2016-01-29  8:49                                                   ` [iGVT-g] " Jike Song
2016-01-29 18:50                                                     ` Alex Williamson
2016-02-01 13:10                                                       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2016-02-01 21:44                                                         ` Alex Williamson
2016-02-02  7:28                                                           ` Gerd Hoffmann
2016-02-02  7:35                                                           ` Zhiyuan Lv
2016-01-27  1:52                                     ` Yang Zhang
2016-01-27  3:37                                       ` Alex Williamson
2016-01-27  0:06                   ` Jike Song
2016-01-27  1:34                     ` Yang Zhang
2016-01-27  1:51                       ` Jike Song
2016-01-26 16:12                 ` Alex Williamson
2016-01-26 21:57                   ` Tian, Kevin

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