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From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: asmetanin@virtuozzo.com, kvm@vger.kernel.org
Cc: Roman Kagan <rkagan@virtuozzo.com>,
	"Denis V. Lunev" <den@openvz.org>,
	Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH kvm-unit-tests] KVM: x86: add hyperv clock test case
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 16:53:31 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <56AA397B.4080209@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <56AA2AB6.3000802@redhat.com>



On 28/01/2016 15:50, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> 
> 
> On 28/01/2016 15:25, Andrey Smetanin wrote:
>>>
>>>     Andrey, the test has a relative error of approximately 3 parts
>>>     per million on my machine.  In other words it drifts by 3
>>>     microseconds every second, which I don't think is acceptable.
>>>     The problem is that virtual_tsc_khz is 2593993 while the actual
>>>     frequency is more like 2594001 kHz.
>>>
>>>     But I have a problem in general with using tsc_khz to compute
>>>     the hyperv reference clock scale.  The maximum possible accuracy
>>>     on a 2.5 GHz machine is around 200 ppb, corresponding to a drift
>>>     of about 16 milliseconds per day.  Perhaps we could use Linux
>>>     (and kvmclock's) timekeeping parameters to derive the tsc_scale
>>>     and tsc_offset?
>>
>> Probably need to check the code. But can we just workaround it
>> by host periodic timer with period ~10ms which will issue(by scheduling
>> vcpu KVM_REQ_*) refresh of guest tsc page to prevent drifting?
> 
> That would kill performance.
> 
> However, after a bit more testing, kvmclock seems to have the same
> issue.  The formula to convert the kvmclock scale to the hyper-v one is
> 
> 	tsc_to_nsec_system_mul * 2^(32 + tsc_shift)/100
> 
> which on my system gives 0xFCA52ED99999999; that's within 0.1 ppb of
> what the Hyper-V code computes from a 2593993 kHz TSC.
> 
> So the patch seems okay, but we need to adjust kvm_guest_time_update to
> support the Hyper-V clock.  In kvm_guest_time_update we can compute a
> new scale and offset; if the scale changes, we set sequence to 0.  If
> the new offset is such that the clock would go backwards, we set
> sequence to 0.

... No, that doesn't work.  The clock would go backwards because the
TIME_REF_COUNT MSR is counting more slowly than the TSC-based clock.

I guess what we can do is to compute the TSC reference page parameters
as soon as the master clock is activated, and use them instead of
get_kernel_ns() to compute the reference count MSR (again if the master
clock is activated).  But I'm now a bit wary to enable the hyper-v TSC
reference page without knowing the effects of a divergence between the
two mechanisms.  Especially if a migration could lead to a switch from
one to the other and thus to the time going backwards.

Paolo

  reply	other threads:[~2016-01-28 15:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-01-28 14:04 [PATCH kvm-unit-tests] KVM: x86: add hyperv clock test case Paolo Bonzini
2016-01-28 14:04 ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-01-28 14:25 ` Andrey Smetanin
2016-01-28 14:50   ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-01-28 15:53     ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
2016-01-28 18:45       ` Roman Kagan
2016-01-28 18:53     ` Roman Kagan
2016-01-28 21:28       ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-01-28 16:22 ` Roman Kagan
2016-02-03 16:37   ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-02-04  9:33     ` Roman Kagan
2016-02-04 10:13       ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-02-04 11:12         ` Roman Kagan
2016-04-21 17:01     ` Roman Kagan
2016-04-22 13:32       ` Roman Kagan
2016-04-22 18:08         ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-04-25  8:47           ` Roman Kagan
2016-04-26 10:34             ` Roman Kagan
2016-05-25 18:33               ` Roman Kagan
2016-05-26 14:47                 ` Roman Kagan
2016-05-29 22:34                 ` Marcelo Tosatti
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2016-02-08 15:18 [PATCH 0/4] kvmclock: improve accuracy Paolo Bonzini
2016-02-08 15:18 ` [PATCH 1/4] KVM: x86: rename argument to kvm_set_tsc_khz Paolo Bonzini
2016-02-11 15:01   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2016-02-08 15:18 ` [PATCH 2/4] KVM: x86: rewrite handling of scaled TSC for kvmclock Paolo Bonzini
2016-02-11 15:23   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2016-02-08 15:18 ` [PATCH 3/4] KVM: x86: pass kvm_get_time_scale arguments in hertz Paolo Bonzini
2016-02-08 15:18 ` [PATCH 4/4] KVM: x86: track actual TSC frequency from the timekeeper struct Paolo Bonzini
2016-02-09 18:41   ` Owen Hofmann
2016-02-10 13:57     ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-02-16 13:48   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2016-02-16 14:25     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2016-02-16 16:59       ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-02-19 14:12         ` Marcelo Tosatti
2016-02-19 15:53           ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-02-16 14:00 ` [PATCH 0/4] kvmclock: improve accuracy Marcelo Tosatti
2016-08-31 14:13 [PATCH kvm-unit-tests] KVM: x86: add hyperv clock test case Roman Kagan
2016-09-01 16:07 ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-09-01 16:07 Paolo Bonzini

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