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From: Jike Song <jike.song@intel.com>
To: Xiao Guangrong <guangrong.xiao@linux.intel.com>
Cc: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	gleb@kernel.org, mtosatti@redhat.com, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kai.huang@linux.intel.com,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	"Tian, Kevin" <kevin.tian@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 00/11] KVM: x86: track guest page access
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 11:02:25 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <56CBCBC1.8050902@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <56CADD6D.2040603@linux.intel.com>

+Kevin

On 02/22/2016 06:05 PM, Xiao Guangrong wrote:
> 
> On 02/19/2016 08:00 PM, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
>>
>> I still have a doubt: how are you going to handle invalidation of GPU
>> shadow page tables if a device (emulated in QEMU or even vhost) does DMA
>> to the PPGTT?
> 
> I think Jike is the better one to answer this question, Jike, could you
> please clarify it? :)
> 

Sure :)

Actually in guest PPGTT is manipulated by CPU rather than GPU. The
PPGTT page table itself are plain memory, composed & modified by the
GPU driver, i.e. by CPU in Non-Root mode.

Given that, we write-protected guest PPGTT, when VM writes PPGTT, EPT
violation rather than DMA fault happens.

>> Generally, this was the reason to keep stuff out of KVM
>> and instead hook into the kernel mm subsystem (as with userfaultfd).
> 
> We considered it carefully but this way can not satisfy KVMGT's requirements.
> The reasons i explained in the old thread (https://lkml.org/lkml/2015/12/1/516)
> are:
> 
> "For the performance, shadow GPU is performance critical and requires
> frequently being switched, it is not good to handle it in userspace. And
> windows guest has many GPU tables and updates it frequently, that means,
> we need to write protect huge number of pages which are single page based,
> I am afraid userfaultfd can not handle this case efficiently.
> 
> For the functionality, userfaultfd can not fill the need of shadow page
> because:
> - the page is keeping readonly, userfaultfd can not fix the fault and let
>     the vcpu progress (write access causes writeable gup).
> 
> - the access need to be emulated, however, userfaultfd/kernel does not have
>     the ability to emulate the access as the access is trigged by guest, the
>     instruction info is stored in VMCS so that only KVM can emulate it.
> 
> - shadow page needs to be notified after the emulation is finished as it
>     should know the new data written to the page to update its page hierarchy.
>     (some hardwares lack the 'retry' ability so the shadow page table need to
>      reflect the table in guest at any time). "
> 
> Any idea?
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2016-02-23  3:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-02-14 11:31 [PATCH v3 00/11] KVM: x86: track guest page access Xiao Guangrong
2016-02-14 11:31 ` [PATCH v3 01/11] KVM: MMU: rename has_wrprotected_page to mmu_gfn_lpage_is_disallowed Xiao Guangrong
2016-02-19 11:08   ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-02-14 11:31 ` [PATCH v3 02/11] KVM: MMU: introduce kvm_mmu_gfn_{allow,disallow}_lpage Xiao Guangrong
2016-02-19 11:09   ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-02-14 11:31 ` [PATCH v3 03/11] KVM: MMU: introduce kvm_mmu_slot_gfn_write_protect Xiao Guangrong
2016-02-19 11:18   ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-02-14 11:31 ` [PATCH v3 04/11] KVM: page track: add the framework of guest page tracking Xiao Guangrong
2016-02-19 11:24   ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-02-23  3:57     ` Xiao Guangrong
2016-02-14 11:31 ` [PATCH v3 05/11] KVM: page track: introduce kvm_page_track_{add,remove}_page Xiao Guangrong
2016-02-19 11:37   ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-02-23  4:18     ` Xiao Guangrong
2016-02-23 14:15       ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-02-19 11:37   ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-02-23  4:18     ` Xiao Guangrong
2016-02-14 11:31 ` [PATCH v3 06/11] KVM: MMU: let page fault handler be aware tracked page Xiao Guangrong
2016-02-19 11:45   ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-02-23  4:19     ` Xiao Guangrong
2016-02-14 11:31 ` [PATCH v3 07/11] KVM: page track: add notifier support Xiao Guangrong
2016-02-19 11:51   ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-02-23  4:34     ` Xiao Guangrong
2016-02-23 14:16       ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-02-14 11:31 ` [PATCH v3 08/11] KVM: MMU: use page track for non-leaf shadow pages Xiao Guangrong
2016-02-14 11:31 ` [PATCH v3 09/11] KVM: MMU: simplify mmu_need_write_protect Xiao Guangrong
2016-02-14 11:31 ` [PATCH v3 10/11] KVM: MMU: clear write-flooding on the fast path of tracked page Xiao Guangrong
2016-02-19 11:55   ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-02-23  4:36     ` Xiao Guangrong
2016-02-14 11:31 ` [PATCH v3 11/11] KVM: MMU: apply page track notifier Xiao Guangrong
2016-02-19 11:56   ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-02-23  4:40     ` Xiao Guangrong
2016-02-23 14:17       ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-02-19 12:00 ` [PATCH v3 00/11] KVM: x86: track guest page access Paolo Bonzini
2016-02-22 10:05   ` Xiao Guangrong
2016-02-23  3:02     ` Jike Song [this message]
2016-02-23  5:44       ` Tian, Kevin
2016-02-23 12:13         ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-02-23 10:01       ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-02-23 11:50         ` Jike Song

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