From: Jike Song <jike.song@intel.com>
To: Xiao Guangrong <guangrong.xiao@linux.intel.com>
Cc: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
gleb@kernel.org, mtosatti@redhat.com, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kai.huang@linux.intel.com,
Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
"Tian, Kevin" <kevin.tian@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 00/11] KVM: x86: track guest page access
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 11:02:25 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <56CBCBC1.8050902@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <56CADD6D.2040603@linux.intel.com>
+Kevin
On 02/22/2016 06:05 PM, Xiao Guangrong wrote:
>
> On 02/19/2016 08:00 PM, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
>>
>> I still have a doubt: how are you going to handle invalidation of GPU
>> shadow page tables if a device (emulated in QEMU or even vhost) does DMA
>> to the PPGTT?
>
> I think Jike is the better one to answer this question, Jike, could you
> please clarify it? :)
>
Sure :)
Actually in guest PPGTT is manipulated by CPU rather than GPU. The
PPGTT page table itself are plain memory, composed & modified by the
GPU driver, i.e. by CPU in Non-Root mode.
Given that, we write-protected guest PPGTT, when VM writes PPGTT, EPT
violation rather than DMA fault happens.
>> Generally, this was the reason to keep stuff out of KVM
>> and instead hook into the kernel mm subsystem (as with userfaultfd).
>
> We considered it carefully but this way can not satisfy KVMGT's requirements.
> The reasons i explained in the old thread (https://lkml.org/lkml/2015/12/1/516)
> are:
>
> "For the performance, shadow GPU is performance critical and requires
> frequently being switched, it is not good to handle it in userspace. And
> windows guest has many GPU tables and updates it frequently, that means,
> we need to write protect huge number of pages which are single page based,
> I am afraid userfaultfd can not handle this case efficiently.
>
> For the functionality, userfaultfd can not fill the need of shadow page
> because:
> - the page is keeping readonly, userfaultfd can not fix the fault and let
> the vcpu progress (write access causes writeable gup).
>
> - the access need to be emulated, however, userfaultfd/kernel does not have
> the ability to emulate the access as the access is trigged by guest, the
> instruction info is stored in VMCS so that only KVM can emulate it.
>
> - shadow page needs to be notified after the emulation is finished as it
> should know the new data written to the page to update its page hierarchy.
> (some hardwares lack the 'retry' ability so the shadow page table need to
> reflect the table in guest at any time). "
>
> Any idea?
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-02-23 3:02 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-02-14 11:31 [PATCH v3 00/11] KVM: x86: track guest page access Xiao Guangrong
2016-02-14 11:31 ` [PATCH v3 01/11] KVM: MMU: rename has_wrprotected_page to mmu_gfn_lpage_is_disallowed Xiao Guangrong
2016-02-19 11:08 ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-02-14 11:31 ` [PATCH v3 02/11] KVM: MMU: introduce kvm_mmu_gfn_{allow,disallow}_lpage Xiao Guangrong
2016-02-19 11:09 ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-02-14 11:31 ` [PATCH v3 03/11] KVM: MMU: introduce kvm_mmu_slot_gfn_write_protect Xiao Guangrong
2016-02-19 11:18 ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-02-14 11:31 ` [PATCH v3 04/11] KVM: page track: add the framework of guest page tracking Xiao Guangrong
2016-02-19 11:24 ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-02-23 3:57 ` Xiao Guangrong
2016-02-14 11:31 ` [PATCH v3 05/11] KVM: page track: introduce kvm_page_track_{add,remove}_page Xiao Guangrong
2016-02-19 11:37 ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-02-23 4:18 ` Xiao Guangrong
2016-02-23 14:15 ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-02-19 11:37 ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-02-23 4:18 ` Xiao Guangrong
2016-02-14 11:31 ` [PATCH v3 06/11] KVM: MMU: let page fault handler be aware tracked page Xiao Guangrong
2016-02-19 11:45 ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-02-23 4:19 ` Xiao Guangrong
2016-02-14 11:31 ` [PATCH v3 07/11] KVM: page track: add notifier support Xiao Guangrong
2016-02-19 11:51 ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-02-23 4:34 ` Xiao Guangrong
2016-02-23 14:16 ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-02-14 11:31 ` [PATCH v3 08/11] KVM: MMU: use page track for non-leaf shadow pages Xiao Guangrong
2016-02-14 11:31 ` [PATCH v3 09/11] KVM: MMU: simplify mmu_need_write_protect Xiao Guangrong
2016-02-14 11:31 ` [PATCH v3 10/11] KVM: MMU: clear write-flooding on the fast path of tracked page Xiao Guangrong
2016-02-19 11:55 ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-02-23 4:36 ` Xiao Guangrong
2016-02-14 11:31 ` [PATCH v3 11/11] KVM: MMU: apply page track notifier Xiao Guangrong
2016-02-19 11:56 ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-02-23 4:40 ` Xiao Guangrong
2016-02-23 14:17 ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-02-19 12:00 ` [PATCH v3 00/11] KVM: x86: track guest page access Paolo Bonzini
2016-02-22 10:05 ` Xiao Guangrong
2016-02-23 3:02 ` Jike Song [this message]
2016-02-23 5:44 ` Tian, Kevin
2016-02-23 12:13 ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-02-23 10:01 ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-02-23 11:50 ` Jike Song
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