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From: Alireza Sanaee <alireza.sanaee@huawei.com>
To: "Zhao Liu" <zhao1.liu@intel.com>,
	"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Philippe Mathieu-Daudé" <philmd@linaro.org>,
	"Daniel P . Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>,
	"Markus Armbruster" <armbru@redhat.com>,
	"Igor Mammedov" <imammedo@redhat.com>,
	"Michael S . Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	"Richard Henderson" <richard.henderson@linaro.org>,
	"Eduardo Habkost" <eduardo@habkost.net>,
	"Marcel Apfelbaum" <marcel.apfelbaum@gmail.com>,
	"wangyanan (Y)" <wangyanan55@huawei.com>,
	"Jonathan Cameron" <jonathan.cameron@huawei.com>,
	"Sia Jee Heng" <jeeheng.sia@starfivetech.com>
Cc: "qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	"kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: RE: [PATCH v7 0/5] i386: Support SMP Cache Topology
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2025 09:29:32 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7ae0450f39d9446f9696531cd076b37e@huawei.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250108150150.1258529-1-zhao1.liu@intel.com>

Hi Zhao,

Thanks for this quick reiteration. 

I will prepare the ARM one too. I implemented the ACPI PPTT table to support thread but later when I worked on device tree noticed the mismatch. Will remove those PPTT thread support for now.

Alireza

-----Original Message-----
From: Zhao Liu <zhao1.liu@intel.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2025 3:02 PM
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>; Philippe Mathieu-Daudé <philmd@linaro.org>; Daniel P . Berrangé <berrange@redhat.com>; Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>; Igor Mammedov <imammedo@redhat.com>; Michael S . Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com>; Richard Henderson <richard.henderson@linaro.org>; Eduardo Habkost <eduardo@habkost.net>; Marcel Apfelbaum <marcel.apfelbaum@gmail.com>; wangyanan (Y) <wangyanan55@huawei.com>; Jonathan Cameron <jonathan.cameron@huawei.com>; Alireza Sanaee <alireza.sanaee@huawei.com>; Sia Jee Heng <jeeheng.sia@starfivetech.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org; kvm@vger.kernel.org; Zhao Liu <zhao1.liu@intel.com>
Subject: [PATCH v7 0/5] i386: Support SMP Cache Topology

Hi folks,

This is my v7.

Compared with v6 [1], v7 dropped the "thread" level cache topology (cache per thread):

 - Patch 1 is the new patch to reject "thread" parameter for smp-cache.
 - Ptach 2 dropped cache per thread support.
 (Others remain unchanged.)

There're several reasons:

 * Currently, neither i386 nor ARM have real hardware support for per-
   thread cache.
 * Supporting this special cache topology on ARM requires extra effort
   [2].

So it is unnecessary to support it at this moment, even though per- thread cache might have potential scheduling benefits for VMs without CPU affinity.

In the future, if there is a clear demand for this feature, the correct approach would be to add a new control field in MachineClass.smp_props and enable it only for the machines that require it.


This series is based on the master branch at commit aa3a285b5bc5 ("Merge tag 'mem-2024-12-21' of https://github.com/davidhildenbrand/qemu into staging").

Smp-cache support of ARM side can be found at [3].


Background
==========

The x86 and ARM (RISCV) need to allow user to configure cache properties (current only topology):
 * For x86, the default cache topology model (of max/host CPU) does not
   always match the Host's real physical cache topology. Performance can
   increase when the configured virtual topology is closer to the
   physical topology than a default topology would be.
 * For ARM, QEMU can't get the cache topology information from the CPU
   registers, then user configuration is necessary. Additionally, the
   cache information is also needed for MPAM emulation (for TCG) to
   build the right PPTT. (Originally from Jonathan)


About smp-cache
===============

The API design has been discussed heavily in [4].

Now, smp-cache is implemented as a array integrated in -machine. Though -machine currently can't support JSON format, this is the one of the directions of future.

An example is as follows:

smp_cache=smp-cache.0.cache=l1i,smp-cache.0.topology=core,smp-cache.1.cache=l1d,smp-cache.1.topology=core,smp-cache.2.cache=l2,smp-cache.2.topology=module,smp-cache.3.cache=l3,smp-cache.3.topology=die

"cache" specifies the cache that the properties will be applied on. This field is the combination of cache level and cache type. Now it supports "l1d" (L1 data cache), "l1i" (L1 instruction cache), "l2" (L2 unified
cache) and "l3" (L3 unified cache).

"topology" field accepts CPU topology levels including "core", "module", "cluster", "die", "socket", "book", "drawer" and a special value "default". (Note, now, in v7, smp-cache doesn't support "thread".)

The "default" is introduced to make it easier for libvirt to set a default parameter value without having to care about the specific machine (because currently there is no proper way for machine to expose supported topology levels and caches).

If "default" is set, then the cache topology will follow the architecture's default cache topology model. If other CPU topology level is set, the cache will be shared at corresponding CPU topology level.


[1]: Patch v6: https://lore.kernel.org/qemu-devel/20241219083237.265419-1-zhao1.liu@intel.com/
[2]: Gap of cache per thread for ARM: https://lore.kernel.org/qemu-devel/Z3efFsigJ6SxhqMf@intel.com/#t
[3]: ARM smp-cache: https://lore.kernel.org/qemu-devel/20250102152012.1049-1-alireza.sanaee@huawei.com/
[4]: API disscussion: https://lore.kernel.org/qemu-devel/8734ndj33j.fsf@pond.sub.org/

Thanks and Best Regards,
Zhao
---
Alireza Sanaee (1):
  i386/cpu: add has_caches flag to check smp_cache configuration

Zhao Liu (4):
  hw/core/machine: Reject thread level cache
  i386/cpu: Support module level cache topology
  i386/cpu: Update cache topology with machine's configuration
  i386/pc: Support cache topology in -machine for PC machine

 hw/core/machine-smp.c |  9 ++++++
 hw/i386/pc.c          |  4 +++
 include/hw/boards.h   |  3 ++
 qemu-options.hx       | 30 +++++++++++++++++-
 target/i386/cpu.c     | 71 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++-
 5 files changed, 115 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)

--
2.34.1



  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-01-10  9:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-01-08 15:01 [PATCH v7 0/5] i386: Support SMP Cache Topology Zhao Liu
2025-01-08 15:01 ` [PATCH v7 1/5] hw/core/machine: Reject thread level cache Zhao Liu
2025-01-10  7:25   ` Zhao Liu
2025-01-08 15:01 ` [PATCH v7 2/5] i386/cpu: Support module level cache topology Zhao Liu
2025-01-08 15:01 ` [PATCH v7 3/5] i386/cpu: Update cache topology with machine's configuration Zhao Liu
2025-01-08 15:01 ` [PATCH v7 4/5] i386/pc: Support cache topology in -machine for PC machine Zhao Liu
2025-01-08 15:01 ` [PATCH v7 5/5] i386/cpu: add has_caches flag to check smp_cache configuration Zhao Liu
2025-01-10  9:29 ` Alireza Sanaee [this message]
2025-01-10 11:41 ` [PATCH v7 0/5] i386: Support SMP Cache Topology Jonathan Cameron

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