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From: Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>
To: Maxim Levitsky <mlevitsk@redhat.com>
Cc: kvmarm@lists.linux.dev, kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Question about lock_all_vcpus
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2025 15:57:34 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <864j11u70x.wl-maz@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <dd333b6d05e2757daf0dffa17ae9af5eb3498e05.camel@redhat.com>

On Thu, 06 Feb 2025 20:08:10 +0000,
Maxim Levitsky <mlevitsk@redhat.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> KVM on ARM has this function, and it seems to be only used in a couple of places, mostly for
> initialization.
> 
> We recently noticed a CI failure roughly like that:

Did you only recently noticed because you only recently started
testing with lockdep? As far as I remember this has been there
forever.

> 
> [  328.171264] BUG: MAX_LOCK_DEPTH too low!
> [  328.175227] turning off the locking correctness validator.
> [  328.180726] Please attach the output of /proc/lock_stat to the bug report
> [  328.187531] depth: 48  max: 48!
> [  328.190678] 48 locks held by qemu-kvm/11664:
> [  328.194957]  #0: ffff800086de5ba0 (&kvm->lock){+.+.}-{3:3}, at: kvm_ioctl_create_device+0x174/0x5b0
> [  328.204048]  #1: ffff0800e78800b8 (&vcpu->mutex){+.+.}-{3:3}, at: lock_all_vcpus+0x16c/0x2a0
> [  328.212521]  #2: ffff07ffeee51e98 (&vcpu->mutex){+.+.}-{3:3}, at: lock_all_vcpus+0x16c/0x2a0
> [  328.220991]  #3: ffff0800dc7d80b8 (&vcpu->mutex){+.+.}-{3:3}, at: lock_all_vcpus+0x16c/0x2a0
> [  328.229463]  #4: ffff07ffe0c980b8 (&vcpu->mutex){+.+.}-{3:3}, at: lock_all_vcpus+0x16c/0x2a0
> [  328.237934]  #5: ffff0800a3883c78 (&vcpu->mutex){+.+.}-{3:3}, at: lock_all_vcpus+0x16c/0x2a0
> [  328.246405]  #6: ffff07fffbe480b8 (&vcpu->mutex){+.+.}-{3:3}, at: lock_all_vcpus+0x16c/0x2a0
> 
> 
> ..
> ..
> ..
> ..
> 
> 
> As far as I see currently MAX_LOCK_DEPTH is 48 and the number of
> vCPUs can easily be hundreds.

512 exactly. Both of which are pretty arbitrary limits.

> 
> Do you think that it's possible? or know if there were any efforts
> to get rid of lock_all_vcpus to avoid this problem? If not possible,
> maybe we can exclude the lock_all_vcpus from the lockdep validator?

I'd be very wary of excluding any form of locking from being checked
by lockdep, and I'd rather we bump MAX_LOCK_DEPTH up if KVM is enabled
on arm64. it's not like anyone is going to run that in production
anyway. task_struct may not be happy about that though.

The alternative is a full stop_machine(), and I don't think that will
fly either.

> AFAIK, on x86 most of the similar cases where lock_all_vcpus could
> be used are handled by assuming and enforcing that userspace will
> call these functions prior to first vCPU is created an/or run, thus
> the need for such locking doesn't exist.

This assertion doesn't hold on arm64, as this ordering requirement
doesn't exist. We already have a bunch of established VMMs doing
things in random orders (QEMU being the #1 offender), and the sad
reality of the Linux ABI means this needs to be supported forever.

Thanks,

	M.

-- 
Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-02-10 15:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 4+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-02-06 20:08 Question about lock_all_vcpus Maxim Levitsky
2025-02-10 12:56 ` Paolo Bonzini
2025-02-10 15:57 ` Marc Zyngier [this message]
2025-02-10 23:52   ` Maxim Levitsky

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