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From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
Cc: Laszlo Ersek <lersek@redhat.com>,
	Jordan Justen <jljusten@gmail.com>,
	Kevin O'Connor <kevin@koconnor.net>,
	Juan Quintela <quintela@redhat.com>,
	KVM devel mailing list <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	qemu-devel qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	seabios@seabios.org, ddutile@redhat.com,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: KVM call agenda for 2013-05-28
Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 12:06:22 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <871u8n9j01.fsf@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1370018019.5141.104.camel@i7.infradead.org>

David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org> writes:

> On Fri, 2013-05-31 at 10:43 -0500, Anthony Liguori wrote:
>> It's even more fundamental.  OVMF as a whole (at least in it's usable
>> form) is not Open Source. 
>
> The FAT module is required to make EDK2 usable, and yes, that's not Open
> Source. So in a sense you're right.
>
> But we're talking here about *replacing* the FAT module with something
> that *is* open source. And the FAT module isn't a fundamental part of
> EDK2; it's just an optional module that happens to be bundled with the
> repository.

So *if* we replace the FAT module *and* that replacement was GPL, would
there be any objects to having more GPL modules for things like virtio,
ACPI, etc?

And would that be doable in the context of OVMF or would another project
need to exist for this purpose?

> So I think you're massively overstating the issue. OVMF/EDK2 *is* Open
> Source, and replacing the FAT module really isn't that hard.
>
> We can only bury our heads in the sand and ship qemu with
> non-EFI-capable firmware for so long...

Which is why I think we need to solve the real problem here.

> I *know* there's more work to be done. We have SeaBIOS-as-CSM, Jordan
> has mostly sorted out the NV variable storage, and now the FAT issue is
> coming up to the top of the pile. But we aren't far from the point where
> we can realistically say that we want the Open Source OVMF to be the
> default firmware shipped with qemu.

Yes, that's why I'm raising this now.  We all knew that we'd have to
talk about this eventually.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

>
> -- 
> dwmw2

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-05-31 17:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-05-23 12:41 KVM call agenda for 2013-05-28 Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-24  3:02 ` [SeaBIOS] " li guang
2013-05-28 23:53 ` Kevin O'Connor
2013-05-29  8:45   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-29 16:12     ` Anthony Liguori
2013-05-29 16:19       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-30  6:37       ` [Qemu-devel] " Gerd Hoffmann
2013-06-02 15:05     ` [SeaBIOS] " Gleb Natapov
2013-06-02 15:09       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-06-02 15:40         ` Gleb Natapov
2013-06-02 15:53           ` [SeaBIOS] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-06-03  6:25       ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-29  8:49   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2013-05-29  9:17     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-29  9:42       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2013-05-29  9:46         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-29 16:18     ` [SeaBIOS] " Anthony Liguori
2013-05-29 16:28       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-29 18:17         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-29 16:35       ` [SeaBIOS] " Markus Armbruster
2013-05-30  1:12       ` Kevin O'Connor
2013-05-31 12:16         ` David Woodhouse
2013-05-30  6:12       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2013-05-30  9:23       ` David Woodhouse
2013-05-30 11:13         ` [Qemu-devel] " Laszlo Ersek
2013-05-30 12:19           ` [Qemu-devel] [SeaBIOS] " David Woodhouse
2013-05-30 12:27             ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-30 12:43             ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-05-30 16:20             ` [Qemu-devel] [SeaBIOS] " Jordan Justen
2013-05-30 16:41               ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-05-30 16:57                 ` [Qemu-devel] " Jordan Justen
2013-05-30 17:37                   ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-05-30 17:45                   ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-31  9:32                 ` [SeaBIOS] " Gerd Hoffmann
2013-05-31  9:55                   ` [SeaBIOS] [Qemu-devel] " Peter Stuge
2013-05-31 23:01                   ` [Qemu-devel] [SeaBIOS] " Jordan Justen
2013-06-03  5:28                     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2013-05-30 17:44               ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-31 12:09               ` [Qemu-devel] [SeaBIOS] " David Woodhouse
2013-05-31 19:48                 ` Patrick Georgi
2013-05-29  9:54   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-31  2:34   ` Kevin O'Connor
2013-05-31  7:09     ` Jordan Justen
2013-05-31  8:13       ` [SeaBIOS] " Peter Stuge
2013-05-31 10:05         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2013-05-31 13:03         ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-06-01  3:41         ` Kevin O'Connor
2013-05-31 11:45       ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-05-31 13:04         ` Anthony Liguori
2013-05-31 14:01           ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-05-31 14:38             ` Anthony Liguori
2013-05-31 16:36               ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-05-31 17:10                 ` Anthony Liguori
2013-05-31 19:02               ` Jordan Justen
2013-05-31 20:27                 ` Anthony Liguori
2013-05-31 21:03                   ` Jordan Justen
2013-06-01  0:01                     ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-06-01  3:16                       ` Jordan Justen
2013-05-31 14:08           ` David Woodhouse
2013-05-31 14:28             ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-05-31 15:43             ` Anthony Liguori
2013-05-31 16:33               ` David Woodhouse
2013-05-31 16:54                 ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-05-31 17:06                 ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2013-05-31 18:09                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-31 18:35                     ` Anthony Liguori
2013-05-31 19:28                       ` Jordan Justen
2013-05-31 20:44                         ` Anthony Liguori
2013-05-31 16:45               ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-06-02  9:43         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-06-03  7:24           ` Jordan Justen
2013-05-31 12:58     ` Anthony Liguori
2013-05-31 13:02       ` David Woodhouse
2013-06-01  3:11       ` Kevin O'Connor
2013-06-02  9:54     ` Michael S. Tsirkin

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