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From: Rusty Russell <rusty-8n+1lVoiYb80n/F98K4Iww@public.gmane.org>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Krishna Kumar <krkumar2-xthvdsQ13ZrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Carsten Otte <cotte-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
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	Shirley Ma <xma-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
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	Heiko Carstens
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	Christian Borntraeger
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	Tom Lendacky
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	Martin Schwidefsky
	<schwidefsky-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	linux390-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCHv2 10/14] virtio_net: limit xmit polling
Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 11:37:15 +0930	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87boyutbjg.fsf@rustcorp.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110522121008.GA12155-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>

On Sun, 22 May 2011 15:10:08 +0300, "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 11:49:59AM +0930, Rusty Russell wrote:
> > On Fri, 20 May 2011 02:11:56 +0300, "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > > Current code might introduce a lot of latency variation
> > > if there are many pending bufs at the time we
> > > attempt to transmit a new one. This is bad for
> > > real-time applications and can't be good for TCP either.
> > 
> > Do we have more than speculation to back that up, BTW?
> 
> Need to dig this up: I thought we saw some reports of this on the list?

I think so too, but a reference needs to be here too.

It helps to have exact benchmarks on what's being tested, otherwise we
risk unexpected interaction with the other optimization patches.

> > >  	struct sk_buff *skb;
> > >  	unsigned int len;
> > > -
> > > -	while ((skb = virtqueue_get_buf(vi->svq, &len)) != NULL) {
> > > +	bool c;
> > > +	int n;
> > > +
> > > +	/* We try to free up at least 2 skbs per one sent, so that we'll get
> > > +	 * all of the memory back if they are used fast enough. */
> > > +	for (n = 0;
> > > +	     ((c = virtqueue_get_capacity(vi->svq) < capacity) || n < 2) &&
> > > +	     ((skb = virtqueue_get_buf(vi->svq, &len)));
> > > +	     ++n) {
> > >  		pr_debug("Sent skb %p\n", skb);
> > >  		vi->dev->stats.tx_bytes += skb->len;
> > >  		vi->dev->stats.tx_packets++;
> > >  		dev_kfree_skb_any(skb);
> > >  	}
> > > +	return !c;
> > 
> > This is for() abuse :)
> > 
> > Why is the capacity check in there at all?  Surely it's simpler to try
> > to free 2 skbs each time around?
> 
> This is in case we can't use indirect: we want to free up
> enough buffers for the following add_buf to succeed.

Sure, or we could just count the frags of the skb we're taking out,
which would be accurate for both cases and far more intuitive.

ie. always try to free up twice as much as we're about to put in.

Can we hit problems with OOM?  Sure, but no worse than now...

The problem is that this "virtqueue_get_capacity()" returns the worst
case, not the normal case.  So using it is deceptive.

> I just wanted to localize the 2+MAX_SKB_FRAGS logic that tries to make
> sure we have enough space in the buffer. Another way to do
> that is with a define :).

To do this properly, we should really be using the actual number of sg
elements needed, but we'd have to do most of xmit_skb beforehand so we
know how many.

Cheers,
Rusty.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-05-23  2:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-05-19 23:10 [PATCHv2 00/14] virtio and vhost-net performance enhancements Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found] ` <cover.1305846412.git.mst-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2011-05-19 23:10   ` [PATCHv2 01/14] virtio: event index interface Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found]     ` <995d19795d84a76f9836f4d9484fb4ef8eae36e9.1305846412.git.mst-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2011-05-21  2:29       ` Rusty Russell
2011-05-19 23:10   ` [PATCHv2 02/14] virtio ring: inline function to check for events Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found]     ` <16ce853af7a80d0f7cb0c1118ba8e19adc184ad0.1305846412.git.mst-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2011-05-21  2:29       ` Rusty Russell
2011-05-19 23:10   ` [PATCHv2 03/14] virtio_ring: support event idx feature Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found]     ` <960f3e3b260844011b004c81dbda0661c977b79a.1305846412.git.mst-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2011-05-21  2:31       ` Rusty Russell
2011-05-19 23:10   ` [PATCHv2 04/14] vhost: support event index Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found]     ` <b227febf884dcf82dee9233e581c6216d0e9daa5.1305846412.git.mst-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2011-05-21  2:31       ` Rusty Russell
2011-05-19 23:11   ` [PATCHv2 05/14] virtio_test: " Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found]     ` <fbed57582b9e8d97c11f889937ea65f42eb03da2.1305846412.git.mst-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2011-05-21  2:32       ` Rusty Russell
2011-05-19 23:11   ` [PATCHv2 06/14] virtio: add api for delayed callbacks Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found]     ` <8f343dcaa996f6b10499468c49508ba9d6fb6f5a.1305846412.git.mst-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2011-05-21  2:33       ` Rusty Russell
2011-05-19 23:11   ` [PATCHv2 07/14] virtio_net: delay TX callbacks Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-05-19 23:11   ` [PATCHv2 08/14] virtio_ring: Add capacity check API Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-05-19 23:11   ` [PATCHv2 09/14] virtio_net: fix TX capacity checks using new API Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found]     ` <42ca2494c92f572388e3ab4c6f613dd4f038361b.1305846412.git.mst-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2011-05-21  2:13       ` Rusty Russell
2011-05-19 23:11   ` [PATCHv2 10/14] virtio_net: limit xmit polling Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found]     ` <aced8619c07018b5495f9ceb2c02d4fbf897a098.1305846412.git.mst-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2011-05-21  2:19       ` Rusty Russell
     [not found]         ` <877h9kvlps.fsf-8n+1lVoiYb80n/F98K4Iww@public.gmane.org>
2011-05-22 12:10           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found]             ` <20110522121008.GA12155-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2011-05-23  2:07               ` Rusty Russell [this message]
     [not found]                 ` <87boyutbjg.fsf-8n+1lVoiYb80n/F98K4Iww@public.gmane.org>
2011-05-23 11:19                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found]                     ` <20110523111900.GB27212-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2011-05-24  7:54                       ` Krishna Kumar2
     [not found]                         ` <OFEED174CD.D3C9A726-ON6525789A.002661D5-6525789A.002B26ED-xthvdsQ13ZrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2011-05-24  9:12                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-05-24  9:27                             ` Krishna Kumar2
     [not found]                               ` <OF69E520FD.340352AC-ON6525789A.003308A2-6525789A.0033F2DF-xthvdsQ13ZrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2011-05-24 11:29                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found]                                   ` <20110524112901.GB17087-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2011-05-24 12:50                                     ` Krishna Kumar2
     [not found]                                       ` <OF2D4A7890.FFA91132-ON6525789A.0043E0AC-6525789A.00464690-xthvdsQ13ZrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2011-05-24 13:52                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-05-25  1:28                       ` Rusty Russell
     [not found]                         ` <8762ozk1qd.fsf-8n+1lVoiYb80n/F98K4Iww@public.gmane.org>
2011-05-25  5:50                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-05-25  1:35                       ` Rusty Russell
     [not found]                         ` <8739k3k1fb.fsf-8n+1lVoiYb80n/F98K4Iww@public.gmane.org>
2011-05-25  6:07                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found]                             ` <20110525060759.GC26352-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2011-05-26  3:28                               ` Rusty Russell
     [not found]                                 ` <87vcwyjg2w.fsf-8n+1lVoiYb80n/F98K4Iww@public.gmane.org>
2011-05-28 20:02                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found]                                     ` <20110528200204.GB7046-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2011-05-30  6:27                                       ` Rusty Russell
2011-05-19 23:12   ` [PATCHv2 11/14] virtio: don't delay avail index update Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found]     ` <33d7df119ccbedc9b54fbe4b674076b4f7ba3499.1305846412.git.mst-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2011-05-21  2:26       ` Rusty Russell
2011-05-19 23:12   ` [PATCHv2 13/14] virtio_test: update for 64 bit features Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-05-19 23:12   ` [PATCHv2 14/14] vhost: fix " Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-05-20  7:51   ` [PATCHv2 00/14] virtio and vhost-net performance enhancements Rusty Russell
2011-05-26 15:32   ` [PERF RESULTS] " Krishna Kumar2
2011-05-26 15:42     ` Shirley Ma
2011-05-26 16:21       ` Krishna Kumar2
     [not found]       ` <OFF9D0E604.B865A006-ON6525789C.00597010-6525789C.0059987A@LocalDomain>
2011-05-26 16:29         ` Krishna Kumar2
2011-05-19 23:12 ` [PATCHv2 12/14] virtio: 64 bit features Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-05-19 23:20 ` [PATCHv2 00/14] virtio and vhost-net performance enhancements David Miller

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