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From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
To: "Nakajima, Jun" <jun.nakajima@intel.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: "Tian, Kevin" <kevin.tian@intel.com>,
	"Liu, Jing2" <jing2.liu@intel.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"x86@kernel.org" <x86@kernel.org>,
	"kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@linux.intel.com>,
	Jing Liu <jing2.liu@linux.intel.com>,
	"seanjc@google.com" <seanjc@google.com>,
	"Cooper, Andrew" <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>,
	"Bae, Chang Seok" <chang.seok.bae@intel.com>
Subject: Re: Thoughts of AMX KVM support based on latest kernel
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2021 11:13:05 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87sfvslaha.ffs@tglx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <D93C093C-8420-45DA-99F5-0A5318ADBBEF@intel.com>

Jun,

On Thu, Nov 18 2021 at 23:17, Jun Nakajima wrote:
> On Nov 17, 2021, at 4:53 AM, Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>> It doesn't have to happen in current processors, but it should be
>> architecturally valid behavior to clear the processor's state as soon
>> as a bit in XFD is set to 1.
>
> 3.3 RECOMMENDATIONS FOR SYSTEM SOFTWARE
>
> System software may disable use of Intel AMX by clearing XCR0[18:17],
> by clearing CR4.OSXSAVE, or by setting IA32_XFD[18]. It is recommended
> that system software initialize AMX state (e.g., by executing
> TILERELEASE) before doing so. This is because maintaining AMX state in
> a non-initialized state may have negative power and performance
> implications.
>
> System software should not use XFD to implement a “lazy restore”
> approach to management of the XTILEDATA state component. This approach
> will not operate correctly for a variety of reasons. One is that the
> LDTILECFG and TILERELEASE instructions initialize XTILEDATA and do not
> cause an #NM exception. Another is that an execution of XSAVE by a
> user thread will save XTILEDATA as initialized instead of the data
> expected by the user thread.

Can this pretty please be reworded so that it says:

  When setting IA32_XFD[18] the AMX register state is not guaranteed to
  be preserved. The resulting register state depends on the
  implementation.

Also it's a real design disaster that component 17 cannot be fenced off
via XFD. That's really inconsistent and leads exactly to this half
defined state.

Thanks,

        tglx

  reply	other threads:[~2021-11-19 10:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-11-10 13:01 Thoughts of AMX KVM support based on latest kernel Liu, Jing2
2021-11-16 12:18 ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-11-16 16:05   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-11-16 18:55     ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-11-16 19:49       ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-11-16 20:14         ` Sean Christopherson
2021-11-16 20:36         ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-11-16 22:11           ` Nakajima, Jun
2021-11-17  7:39           ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-11-16 20:12       ` Sean Christopherson
2021-11-16 23:35         ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-11-16 19:20 ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-11-17  4:52   ` Nakajima, Jun
2021-11-17  7:31     ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-11-17 10:15       ` Tian, Kevin
2021-11-17 12:24         ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-11-17 12:53         ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-11-18 23:17           ` Nakajima, Jun
2021-11-19 10:13             ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2021-11-19 15:41               ` Nakajima, Jun
2021-12-08  0:50                 ` Rewording of Setting IA32_XFD[18] (Re: Thoughts of AMX KVM support based on latest kernel) Nakajima, Jun
2021-12-08 13:57                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-12-10 21:53                   ` Thomas Gleixner

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