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From: Yishai Hadas <yishaih@nvidia.com>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	<alex.williamson@redhat.com>, <jasowang@redhat.com>,
	<kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	<virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org>, <parav@nvidia.com>,
	<feliu@nvidia.com>, <jiri@nvidia.com>, <kevin.tian@intel.com>,
	<joao.m.martins@oracle.com>, <leonro@nvidia.com>,
	<maorg@nvidia.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH vfio 10/11] vfio/virtio: Expose admin commands over virtio device
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2023 18:43:32 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8ea954ba-e966-0b87-b232-06ffd79db4e3@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20231010111339-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>

On 10/10/2023 18:14, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 10, 2023 at 06:09:44PM +0300, Yishai Hadas wrote:
>> On 10/10/2023 17:54, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
>>> On Tue, Oct 10, 2023 at 11:08:49AM -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
>>>> On Tue, Oct 10, 2023 at 09:56:00AM -0400, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> However - the Intel GPU VFIO driver is such a bad experiance I don't
>>>>>> want to encourage people to make VFIO drivers, or code that is only
>>>>>> used by VFIO drivers, that are not under drivers/vfio review.
>>>>> So if Alex feels it makes sense to add some virtio functionality
>>>>> to vfio and is happy to maintain or let you maintain the UAPI
>>>>> then why would I say no? But we never expected devices to have
>>>>> two drivers like this does, so just exposing device pointer
>>>>> and saying "use regular virtio APIs for the rest" does not
>>>>> cut it, the new APIs have to make sense
>>>>> so virtio drivers can develop normally without fear of stepping
>>>>> on the toes of this admin driver.
>>>> Please work with Yishai to get something that make sense to you. He
>>>> can post a v2 with the accumulated comments addressed so far and then
>>>> go over what the API between the drivers is.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Jason
>>> /me shrugs. I pretty much posted suggestions already. Should not be hard.
>>> Anything unclear - post on list.
>>>
>> Yes, this is the plan.
>>
>> We are working to address the comments that we got so far in both VFIO &
>> VIRTIO, retest and send the next version.
>>
>> Re the API between the modules, It looks like we have the below
>> alternatives.
>>
>> 1) Proceed with current approach where we exposed a generic API to execute
>> any admin command, however, make it much more solid inside VIRTIO.
>> 2) Expose extra APIs from VIRTIO for commands that we can consider future
>> client usage of them as of LIST_QUERY/LIST_USE, however still have the
>> generic execute admin command for others.
>> 3) Expose API per command from VIRTIO and fully drop the generic execute
>> admin command.
>>
>> Few notes:
>> Option #1 looks the most generic one, it drops the need to expose multiple
>> symbols / APIs per command and for now we have a single client for them
>> (i.e. VFIO).
>> Options #2 & #3, may still require to expose the virtio_pci_vf_get_pf_dev()
>> API to let VFIO get the VIRTIO PF (struct virtio_device *) from its PCI
>> device, each command will get it as its first argument.
>>
>> Michael,
>> What do you suggest here ?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Yishai
> I suggest 3 but call it on the VF. commands will switch to PF
> internally as needed. For example, intel might be interested in exposing
> admin commands through a memory BAR of VF itself.
>
The driver who owns the VF is VFIO, it's not a VIRTIO one.

The ability to get the VIRTIO PF is from the PCI device (i.e. struct 
pci_dev).

In addition,
virtio_pci_vf_get_pf_dev() was implemented for now in virtio-pci as it 
worked on pci_dev.
Assuming that we'll put each command inside virtio as the generic layer, 
we won't be able to call/use this API internally to get the PF as of 
cyclic dependencies between the modules, link will fail.

So in option #3 we may still need to get outside into VFIO the VIRTIO PF 
and give it as pointer to VIRTIO upon each command.

Does it work for you ?

Yishai


  reply	other threads:[~2023-10-10 15:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 181+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-09-21 12:40 [PATCH vfio 00/11] Introduce a vfio driver over virtio devices Yishai Hadas
2023-09-21 12:40 ` [PATCH vfio 01/11] virtio-pci: Use virtio pci device layer vq info instead of generic one Yishai Hadas
2023-09-21 13:46   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-26 19:13     ` Feng Liu
2023-09-27 18:09       ` Feng Liu
2023-09-27 21:24         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-21 12:40 ` [PATCH vfio 02/11] virtio: Define feature bit for administration virtqueue Yishai Hadas
2023-09-21 12:40 ` [PATCH vfio 03/11] virtio-pci: Introduce admin virtqueue Yishai Hadas
2023-09-21 13:57   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-26 19:23     ` Feng Liu
2023-09-27 18:12       ` Feng Liu
2023-09-27 21:27         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-02 18:07           ` Feng Liu
2023-09-21 12:40 ` [PATCH vfio 04/11] virtio: Expose the synchronous command helper function Yishai Hadas
2023-09-21 12:40 ` [PATCH vfio 05/11] virtio-pci: Introduce admin command sending function Yishai Hadas
2023-09-21 12:40 ` [PATCH vfio 06/11] virtio-pci: Introduce API to get PF virtio device from VF PCI device Yishai Hadas
2023-09-21 12:40 ` [PATCH vfio 07/11] virtio-pci: Introduce admin commands Yishai Hadas
2023-09-24  5:18   ` kernel test robot
2023-09-25  3:18   ` kernel test robot
2023-09-21 12:40 ` [PATCH vfio 08/11] vfio/pci: Expose vfio_pci_core_setup_barmap() Yishai Hadas
2023-09-21 16:35   ` Alex Williamson
2023-09-26  9:45     ` Yishai Hadas
2023-09-21 12:40 ` [PATCH vfio 09/11] vfio/pci: Expose vfio_pci_iowrite/read##size() Yishai Hadas
2023-09-21 12:40 ` [PATCH vfio 10/11] vfio/virtio: Expose admin commands over virtio device Yishai Hadas
2023-09-21 13:08   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-21 20:34   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-26 10:51     ` Yishai Hadas
2023-09-26 11:25       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-22  9:54   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-26 11:14     ` Yishai Hadas
2023-09-26 11:41       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-27 13:18         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-27 21:30           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-27 23:16             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-28  5:26               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-02  6:28         ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-10-02 15:13           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-05  8:49             ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-10-05 11:10               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-06 13:09                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-10-10 13:10                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-10 13:56                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-10 14:08                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-10 14:54                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-10 15:09                           ` Yishai Hadas
2023-10-10 15:14                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-10 15:43                               ` Yishai Hadas [this message]
2023-10-10 15:58                                 ` Parav Pandit
2023-10-10 15:58                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-10 16:09                                   ` Yishai Hadas
2023-10-10 20:42                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-11  7:44                                       ` Yishai Hadas
2023-10-11  8:02                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-11  8:58                                           ` Yishai Hadas
2023-10-11  9:03                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-11 11:25                                               ` Yishai Hadas
2023-10-11  6:12                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-10-10 15:59                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-10 16:03                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-10 16:07                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-10 16:21                                     ` Parav Pandit
2023-10-10 20:38                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-11  6:13                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-10-11  6:43                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-11  6:59                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-10-11  8:00                                       ` Parav Pandit
2023-10-11  8:10                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-11 12:18                                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-11 17:03                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-11 17:20                                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-11 17:05                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-12 10:29                                         ` Zhu, Lingshan
2023-10-12 13:27                                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                             ` <840d4c6f-4150-4818-a66c-1dbe1474b4c6@intel.com>
2023-10-13 13:50                                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-16  8:33                                                 ` Zhu, Lingshan
2023-10-16  8:52                                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-16  9:53                                                     ` Zhu, Lingshan
2023-10-11  8:12                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-12 10:30                                       ` Zhu, Lingshan
2023-10-11  6:26                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-10-11 13:57                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-11 14:17                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-10-11 14:58                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-11 16:59                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-11 17:19                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-11 20:20                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-21 12:40 ` [PATCH vfio 11/11] vfio/virtio: Introduce a vfio driver over virtio devices Yishai Hadas
2023-09-21 13:16   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-21 14:11     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-21 14:16       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-21 16:41         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-21 16:53           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-21 18:39             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-21 19:13               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-21 19:49                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-21 20:45                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-21 22:55                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-22  3:02                       ` Jason Wang
2023-09-22 11:23                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-22 12:15                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-22  3:01                   ` Jason Wang
2023-09-22 12:11                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-25  2:34                       ` Jason Wang
2023-09-25 12:26                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-25 19:44                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-26  0:40                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-26  5:34                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-26  5:42                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-26 13:50                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-27 21:38                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-27 23:20                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-28  5:31                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-26  4:37                           ` Jason Wang
2023-09-26  5:33                             ` Parav Pandit
2023-09-21 19:17               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-21 19:51                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-21 20:55                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-21 23:08                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-25  4:44                     ` Zhu, Lingshan
2023-09-22  3:45               ` Zhu, Lingshan
2023-09-21 13:33   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-21 16:43   ` Alex Williamson
2023-09-21 16:52     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-21 17:01       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-21 17:07         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-21 17:21           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-21 17:44             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-21 17:55               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-21 18:16                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-21 19:34                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-21 19:53                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-21 20:16                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-21 22:48                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-22  9:47                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-22 12:23                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-22 15:45                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-22  3:02                         ` Jason Wang
2023-09-22 12:22                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-22 12:25                             ` Parav Pandit
2023-09-22 15:13                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-22 15:15                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-22 15:40                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-22 16:22                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-25 17:36                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-25  2:30                               ` Jason Wang
2023-09-25  8:26                                 ` Parav Pandit
2023-09-25 18:36                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-26  2:34                                     ` Zhu, Lingshan
2023-09-26  3:45                                     ` Parav Pandit
2023-09-26  4:37                                       ` Jason Wang
2023-10-12 10:52                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-12 11:11                                         ` Parav Pandit
2023-10-12 11:30                                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-12 11:40                                             ` Parav Pandit
2023-09-26  2:32                                   ` Jason Wang
2023-09-26  4:01                                     ` Parav Pandit
2023-09-26  4:37                                       ` Jason Wang
2023-09-26  5:27                                         ` Parav Pandit
2023-09-26 11:49                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-08  4:28                                       ` Jason Wang
2023-09-22  3:02                       ` Jason Wang
2023-09-22 12:25                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-22 15:39                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-22 16:19                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-25 18:16                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-25 18:53                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-25 19:52                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-21 17:09         ` Parav Pandit
2023-09-21 17:24           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-21 19:58   ` Alex Williamson
2023-09-21 20:01     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-21 20:20       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-21 20:59         ` Alex Williamson
2023-09-22 12:37     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-22 12:59       ` Parav Pandit
2023-09-26 15:20     ` Yishai Hadas
2023-09-26 17:00       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-02  4:38         ` Parav Pandit
2023-09-22 10:10   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-22 15:53   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-02 11:23     ` Parav Pandit

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