From: Yishai Hadas <yishaih@nvidia.com>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
<alex.williamson@redhat.com>, <jasowang@redhat.com>,
<kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
<virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org>, <parav@nvidia.com>,
<feliu@nvidia.com>, <jiri@nvidia.com>, <kevin.tian@intel.com>,
<joao.m.martins@oracle.com>, <leonro@nvidia.com>,
<maorg@nvidia.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH vfio 10/11] vfio/virtio: Expose admin commands over virtio device
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2023 18:43:32 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <8ea954ba-e966-0b87-b232-06ffd79db4e3@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20231010111339-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>
On 10/10/2023 18:14, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 10, 2023 at 06:09:44PM +0300, Yishai Hadas wrote:
>> On 10/10/2023 17:54, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
>>> On Tue, Oct 10, 2023 at 11:08:49AM -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
>>>> On Tue, Oct 10, 2023 at 09:56:00AM -0400, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> However - the Intel GPU VFIO driver is such a bad experiance I don't
>>>>>> want to encourage people to make VFIO drivers, or code that is only
>>>>>> used by VFIO drivers, that are not under drivers/vfio review.
>>>>> So if Alex feels it makes sense to add some virtio functionality
>>>>> to vfio and is happy to maintain or let you maintain the UAPI
>>>>> then why would I say no? But we never expected devices to have
>>>>> two drivers like this does, so just exposing device pointer
>>>>> and saying "use regular virtio APIs for the rest" does not
>>>>> cut it, the new APIs have to make sense
>>>>> so virtio drivers can develop normally without fear of stepping
>>>>> on the toes of this admin driver.
>>>> Please work with Yishai to get something that make sense to you. He
>>>> can post a v2 with the accumulated comments addressed so far and then
>>>> go over what the API between the drivers is.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Jason
>>> /me shrugs. I pretty much posted suggestions already. Should not be hard.
>>> Anything unclear - post on list.
>>>
>> Yes, this is the plan.
>>
>> We are working to address the comments that we got so far in both VFIO &
>> VIRTIO, retest and send the next version.
>>
>> Re the API between the modules, It looks like we have the below
>> alternatives.
>>
>> 1) Proceed with current approach where we exposed a generic API to execute
>> any admin command, however, make it much more solid inside VIRTIO.
>> 2) Expose extra APIs from VIRTIO for commands that we can consider future
>> client usage of them as of LIST_QUERY/LIST_USE, however still have the
>> generic execute admin command for others.
>> 3) Expose API per command from VIRTIO and fully drop the generic execute
>> admin command.
>>
>> Few notes:
>> Option #1 looks the most generic one, it drops the need to expose multiple
>> symbols / APIs per command and for now we have a single client for them
>> (i.e. VFIO).
>> Options #2 & #3, may still require to expose the virtio_pci_vf_get_pf_dev()
>> API to let VFIO get the VIRTIO PF (struct virtio_device *) from its PCI
>> device, each command will get it as its first argument.
>>
>> Michael,
>> What do you suggest here ?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Yishai
> I suggest 3 but call it on the VF. commands will switch to PF
> internally as needed. For example, intel might be interested in exposing
> admin commands through a memory BAR of VF itself.
>
The driver who owns the VF is VFIO, it's not a VIRTIO one.
The ability to get the VIRTIO PF is from the PCI device (i.e. struct
pci_dev).
In addition,
virtio_pci_vf_get_pf_dev() was implemented for now in virtio-pci as it
worked on pci_dev.
Assuming that we'll put each command inside virtio as the generic layer,
we won't be able to call/use this API internally to get the PF as of
cyclic dependencies between the modules, link will fail.
So in option #3 we may still need to get outside into VFIO the VIRTIO PF
and give it as pointer to VIRTIO upon each command.
Does it work for you ?
Yishai
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-10-10 15:44 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 181+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-09-21 12:40 [PATCH vfio 00/11] Introduce a vfio driver over virtio devices Yishai Hadas
2023-09-21 12:40 ` [PATCH vfio 01/11] virtio-pci: Use virtio pci device layer vq info instead of generic one Yishai Hadas
2023-09-21 13:46 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-26 19:13 ` Feng Liu
2023-09-27 18:09 ` Feng Liu
2023-09-27 21:24 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-21 12:40 ` [PATCH vfio 02/11] virtio: Define feature bit for administration virtqueue Yishai Hadas
2023-09-21 12:40 ` [PATCH vfio 03/11] virtio-pci: Introduce admin virtqueue Yishai Hadas
2023-09-21 13:57 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-26 19:23 ` Feng Liu
2023-09-27 18:12 ` Feng Liu
2023-09-27 21:27 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-02 18:07 ` Feng Liu
2023-09-21 12:40 ` [PATCH vfio 04/11] virtio: Expose the synchronous command helper function Yishai Hadas
2023-09-21 12:40 ` [PATCH vfio 05/11] virtio-pci: Introduce admin command sending function Yishai Hadas
2023-09-21 12:40 ` [PATCH vfio 06/11] virtio-pci: Introduce API to get PF virtio device from VF PCI device Yishai Hadas
2023-09-21 12:40 ` [PATCH vfio 07/11] virtio-pci: Introduce admin commands Yishai Hadas
2023-09-24 5:18 ` kernel test robot
2023-09-25 3:18 ` kernel test robot
2023-09-21 12:40 ` [PATCH vfio 08/11] vfio/pci: Expose vfio_pci_core_setup_barmap() Yishai Hadas
2023-09-21 16:35 ` Alex Williamson
2023-09-26 9:45 ` Yishai Hadas
2023-09-21 12:40 ` [PATCH vfio 09/11] vfio/pci: Expose vfio_pci_iowrite/read##size() Yishai Hadas
2023-09-21 12:40 ` [PATCH vfio 10/11] vfio/virtio: Expose admin commands over virtio device Yishai Hadas
2023-09-21 13:08 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-21 20:34 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-26 10:51 ` Yishai Hadas
2023-09-26 11:25 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-22 9:54 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-26 11:14 ` Yishai Hadas
2023-09-26 11:41 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-27 13:18 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-27 21:30 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-27 23:16 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-28 5:26 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-02 6:28 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-10-02 15:13 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-05 8:49 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-10-05 11:10 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-06 13:09 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-10-10 13:10 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-10 13:56 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-10 14:08 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-10 14:54 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-10 15:09 ` Yishai Hadas
2023-10-10 15:14 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-10 15:43 ` Yishai Hadas [this message]
2023-10-10 15:58 ` Parav Pandit
2023-10-10 15:58 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-10 16:09 ` Yishai Hadas
2023-10-10 20:42 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-11 7:44 ` Yishai Hadas
2023-10-11 8:02 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-11 8:58 ` Yishai Hadas
2023-10-11 9:03 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-11 11:25 ` Yishai Hadas
2023-10-11 6:12 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-10-10 15:59 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-10 16:03 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-10 16:07 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-10 16:21 ` Parav Pandit
2023-10-10 20:38 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-11 6:13 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-10-11 6:43 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-11 6:59 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-10-11 8:00 ` Parav Pandit
2023-10-11 8:10 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-11 12:18 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-11 17:03 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-11 17:20 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-11 17:05 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-12 10:29 ` Zhu, Lingshan
2023-10-12 13:27 ` Jason Gunthorpe
[not found] ` <840d4c6f-4150-4818-a66c-1dbe1474b4c6@intel.com>
2023-10-13 13:50 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-16 8:33 ` Zhu, Lingshan
2023-10-16 8:52 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-16 9:53 ` Zhu, Lingshan
2023-10-11 8:12 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-12 10:30 ` Zhu, Lingshan
2023-10-11 6:26 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-10-11 13:57 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-11 14:17 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-10-11 14:58 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-11 16:59 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-11 17:19 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-10-11 20:20 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-21 12:40 ` [PATCH vfio 11/11] vfio/virtio: Introduce a vfio driver over virtio devices Yishai Hadas
2023-09-21 13:16 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-21 14:11 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-21 14:16 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-21 16:41 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-21 16:53 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-21 18:39 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-21 19:13 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-21 19:49 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-21 20:45 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-21 22:55 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-22 3:02 ` Jason Wang
2023-09-22 11:23 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-22 12:15 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-22 3:01 ` Jason Wang
2023-09-22 12:11 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-25 2:34 ` Jason Wang
2023-09-25 12:26 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-25 19:44 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-26 0:40 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-26 5:34 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-26 5:42 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-26 13:50 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-27 21:38 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-27 23:20 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-28 5:31 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-26 4:37 ` Jason Wang
2023-09-26 5:33 ` Parav Pandit
2023-09-21 19:17 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-21 19:51 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-21 20:55 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-21 23:08 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-25 4:44 ` Zhu, Lingshan
2023-09-22 3:45 ` Zhu, Lingshan
2023-09-21 13:33 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-21 16:43 ` Alex Williamson
2023-09-21 16:52 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-21 17:01 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-21 17:07 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-21 17:21 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-21 17:44 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-21 17:55 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-21 18:16 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-21 19:34 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-21 19:53 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-21 20:16 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-21 22:48 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-22 9:47 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-22 12:23 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-22 15:45 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-22 3:02 ` Jason Wang
2023-09-22 12:22 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-22 12:25 ` Parav Pandit
2023-09-22 15:13 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-22 15:15 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-22 15:40 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-22 16:22 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-25 17:36 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-25 2:30 ` Jason Wang
2023-09-25 8:26 ` Parav Pandit
2023-09-25 18:36 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-26 2:34 ` Zhu, Lingshan
2023-09-26 3:45 ` Parav Pandit
2023-09-26 4:37 ` Jason Wang
2023-10-12 10:52 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-12 11:11 ` Parav Pandit
2023-10-12 11:30 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-12 11:40 ` Parav Pandit
2023-09-26 2:32 ` Jason Wang
2023-09-26 4:01 ` Parav Pandit
2023-09-26 4:37 ` Jason Wang
2023-09-26 5:27 ` Parav Pandit
2023-09-26 11:49 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-08 4:28 ` Jason Wang
2023-09-22 3:02 ` Jason Wang
2023-09-22 12:25 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-22 15:39 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-22 16:19 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-25 18:16 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-25 18:53 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-25 19:52 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-21 17:09 ` Parav Pandit
2023-09-21 17:24 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-21 19:58 ` Alex Williamson
2023-09-21 20:01 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-21 20:20 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-09-21 20:59 ` Alex Williamson
2023-09-22 12:37 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-09-22 12:59 ` Parav Pandit
2023-09-26 15:20 ` Yishai Hadas
2023-09-26 17:00 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-02 4:38 ` Parav Pandit
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