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From: Ulrich Obergfell <uobergfe@redhat.com>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
Cc: Don Zickus <dzickus@redhat.com>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	pbonzini@redhat.com, mingo@redhat.com,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Jones <drjones@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/5] watchdog: control hard lockup detection default
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 06:44:41 -0400 (EDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <949451551.32876011.1408358681791.JavaMail.zimbra@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140818091644.GE25495@gmail.com>

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ingo Molnar" <mingo@kernel.org>
>To: "Don Zickus" <dzickus@redhat.com>
>Cc: akpm@linux-foundation.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org, pbonzini@redhat.com, mingo@redhat.com, "LKML" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, "Ulrich >Obergfell" <uobergfe@redhat.com>, "Andrew Jones" <drjones@redhat.com>
>Sent: Monday, August 18, 2014 11:16:44 AM
>Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/5] watchdog: control hard lockup detection default
>
>
> * Don Zickus <dzickus@redhat.com> wrote:
>
>> The running kernel still has the ability to enable/disable at any
>> time with /proc/sys/kernel/nmi_watchdog us usual. However even
>> when the default has been overridden /proc/sys/kernel/nmi_watchdog
>> will initially show '1'. To truly turn it on one must disable/enable
>> it, i.e.
>>   echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/nmi_watchdog
>>   echo 1 > /proc/sys/kernel/nmi_watchdog
>
> This looks like a bug, why is this so?
>
> Thanks,
>
>	Ingo


This is because the hard lockup detector and the soft lockup detector are
enabled and disabled at the same time - there isn't a separate 'knob' for
each of them. Both are controlled via the 'watchdog_user_enabled' variable
which is 1 by default.

  lockup_detector_init
    if (watchdog_user_enabled)
        watchdog_enable_all_cpus
          smpboot_register_percpu_thread(&watchdog_threads)

At boot time, the above code path lauches a 'watchdog/N' thread for each
online CPU. The watchdog_enable() function is executed in the context of
these threads, and this attempts to enable the hard lockup detector and
the soft lockup detector. [Note: Soft lockup detection is implemented in
watchdog_timer_fn().]

  watchdog_enable
    hrtimer_init(hrtimer, ...)
    hrtimer->function = watchdog_timer_fn

    watchdog_nmi_enable
      perf_event_create_kernel_counter(..., watchdog_overflow_callback)

    hrtimer_start(hrtimer, ...)

On bare metal systems or in virtual environments where the hypervisor
does not emulate a PMU, watchdog_nmi_enable() can fail to allocate and
enable a PMU counter. This is reported by a console message:

  NMI watchdog: disabled (cpu0): hardware events not enabled

Hence, we can end up with a situation where the soft lockup detector is
enabled and the hard lockup detector is not enabled. However, the output
of 'cat /proc/sys/kernel/nmi_watchdog' is 1 because it merely shows the
state of the 'watchdog_user_enabled' variable.

The above is the behaviour even without the proposed patch. The patch
merely adds the following hunk in watchdog_nmi_enable() to 'fake' a
-ENOENT error return from perf_event_create_kernel_counter().

  +        if (!watchdog_hardlockup_detector_is_enabled()) {
  +                event = ERR_PTR(-ENOENT);
  +                goto handle_err;
  +        }

The patch does not break the output of 'cat /proc/sys/kernel/nmi_watchdog'
since the discrepancy between the output and the actual state of the hard
lockup detector is nothing new.


Regards,

Uli

  reply	other threads:[~2014-08-18 10:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-08-11 14:49 [PATCH 0/5] watchdog: various fixes Don Zickus
2014-08-11 14:49 ` [PATCH 1/5] watchdog: remove unnecessary head files Don Zickus
2014-08-11 14:49 ` [PATCH 2/5] softlockup: make detector be aware of task switch of processes hogging cpu Don Zickus
2014-08-18  9:03   ` Ingo Molnar
2014-08-18 15:06     ` Don Zickus
2014-08-18 18:01       ` Ingo Molnar
2014-08-18 18:43         ` Don Zickus
2014-08-18 19:02           ` Ingo Molnar
2014-08-18 20:38             ` Don Zickus
2014-08-19  1:36               ` Chai Wen
2014-08-21  1:37                 ` Chai Wen
2014-08-21  2:30                   ` Don Zickus
2014-08-11 14:49 ` [PATCH 3/5] watchdog: fix print-once on enable Don Zickus
2014-08-18  9:05   ` Ingo Molnar
2014-08-18  9:07   ` Ingo Molnar
2014-08-18 15:07     ` Don Zickus
2014-08-11 14:49 ` [PATCH 4/5] watchdog: control hard lockup detection default Don Zickus
2014-08-18  9:12   ` Ingo Molnar
2014-08-18 15:07     ` Don Zickus
2014-08-18  9:16   ` Ingo Molnar
2014-08-18 10:44     ` Ulrich Obergfell [this message]
2014-08-18 15:17     ` Don Zickus
2014-08-18 18:07       ` Ingo Molnar
2014-08-18 18:53         ` Don Zickus
2014-08-18 19:00           ` Ingo Molnar
2014-08-11 14:49 ` [PATCH 5/5] kvm: ensure hard lockup detection is disabled by default Don Zickus

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