From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
To: Eric Auger <eric.auger@redhat.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 13/19] iommufd: Add kAPI toward external drivers for physical devices
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2022 09:20:05 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Y4S1hYFm9HaP0KdR@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <94e6034a-c4c1-be0a-ea8c-f5934dbadd4c@redhat.com>
On Mon, Nov 28, 2022 at 11:55:41AM +0100, Eric Auger wrote:
> > Not really. The name is a mess, but as it is implemented, it means the
> > platform is implementing MSI security. How exactly that is done is not
> > really defined, and it doesn't really belong as an iommu property.
> > However the security is being created is done in a way that is
> > transparent to the iommu_domain user.
> Some 'ARM platforms' implement what you call MSI security but they do
> not advertise IOMMU_CAP_INTR_REMAP
Sounds like a bug.
> Besides refering to include/linux/iommu.h:
> IOMMU_CAP_INTR_REMAP, /* IOMMU supports interrupt isolation */
Documentation doesn't match code.
> > It doesn't matter how it is done, if it remapping HW, fancy
> > iommu_domain tricks, or built into the MSI controller. Set this flag
> > if the platform is secure and doesn't need the code triggered by
> > irq_domain_check_msi_remap().
> this is not what is implemented as of now. If the IOMMU does support
> interrupt isolation, it advertises IOMMU_CAP_INTR_REMAP. On ARM this
> feature is implemented by the ITS MSI controller instead and the only
> way to retrieve the info whether the device MSIs are directed to that
> kind of MSI controller is to use irq_domain_check_msi_remap().
It is important to keep the Linux design seperated from what the
architecture papers describes. In Linux the IOMMU is represented by
the iommu_domain and the iommu_ops. On x86 neither of these objects
play any role in interrupt delivery. Yes, the x86 architecture papers
place some of the interrupt logic inside what they consider the iommu
block, but that is just some historical stuff and shouldn't impact the
SW design.
If we had put the IRTE bits inside the irqchip layer instead of in the
iommu driver, it would have made a lot more sense.
The fact that ARM was allowed to be different (or rather the x86 mess
wasn't cleaned up before the ARM mess was overlayed on top) is why
this is so confusing. They are doing the same things, just in
unnecessarily different ways.
> >> irq_domain_check_msi_remap() instead means the MSI controller
> >> implements that functionality (a given device id is able to trigger
> > Not quite, it means that MSI isolation is available, however it is not
> > transparent and the iommu_domain user must do the little dance that
> > follows.
> No I do not agree on that point. The 'little dance' is needed because
> the SMMU does not bypass MSI writes as done on Intel. And someone must
> take care of the MSI transaction mapping. This is the role of the MSI
> cookie stuff. To me this is independent on the above discussion whether
> MSI isolation is implemented.
OK, so you are worried about someone who sets
allow_unsafe_interrupts=1 they will not get the iommu_get_msi_cookie()
call done even though they still need it? That does seem wrong.
> > This was sort of sloppy copied from VFIO - we should just delete
> > it. The is no driver that sets both, and once the platform asserts
> > irq_domain_check_msi_remap() it is going down the non-transparent path
> > anyhow and must set a cookie to work. [again the names doesn't make
> > any sense for the functionality]
> >
> > Failing with EPERM is probably not so bad since the platform is using
> > an invalid configuration. I'm kind of inclined to leave this for
> > right
> I don't understand why it is invalid? HW MSI RESV region is a valid
> config and not sure you tested with that kind of setup, did you?
Why would it be a valid config? No driver sets both..
HW MSI RESV should set IOMMU_CAP_INTR_REMAP like Intel does.
irq_domain_check_msi_remap() is only for SW MSI RESV regions.
This is what the code implements, and yes it makes no sense.
Jason
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-11-28 13:21 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-11-16 21:00 [PATCH v5 00/19] IOMMUFD Generic interface Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-16 21:00 ` [PATCH v5 01/19] iommu: Add IOMMU_CAP_ENFORCE_CACHE_COHERENCY Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-23 8:30 ` Yi Liu
2022-11-23 16:56 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-16 21:00 ` [PATCH v5 02/19] iommu: Add device-centric DMA ownership interfaces Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-16 21:00 ` [PATCH v5 03/19] interval-tree: Add a utility to iterate over spans in an interval tree Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-16 21:00 ` [PATCH v5 04/19] scripts/kernel-doc: support EXPORT_SYMBOL_NS_GPL() with -export Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-16 21:00 ` [PATCH v5 05/19] iommufd: Document overview of iommufd Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-18 9:06 ` Eric Auger
2022-11-30 15:06 ` Binbin Wu
2022-12-01 0:08 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-16 21:00 ` [PATCH v5 06/19] iommufd: File descriptor, context, kconfig and makefiles Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-18 16:27 ` Eric Auger
2022-11-18 20:23 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-25 8:43 ` Eric Auger
2022-11-16 21:00 ` [PATCH v5 07/19] kernel/user: Allow user::locked_vm to be usable for iommufd Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-18 9:08 ` Eric Auger
2022-11-18 9:09 ` Eric Auger
2022-11-18 16:28 ` Eric Auger
2022-11-18 20:25 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-16 21:00 ` [PATCH v5 08/19] iommufd: PFN handling for iopt_pages Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-18 2:24 ` Tian, Kevin
2022-11-18 2:27 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-16 21:00 ` [PATCH v5 09/19] iommufd: Algorithms for PFN storage Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-16 21:00 ` [PATCH v5 10/19] iommufd: Data structure to provide IOVA to PFN mapping Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-18 2:55 ` Tian, Kevin
2022-11-16 21:00 ` [PATCH v5 11/19] iommufd: IOCTLs for the io_pagetable Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-27 17:49 ` Eric Auger
2022-11-28 9:05 ` Tian, Kevin
2022-11-28 18:11 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-28 18:27 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-28 20:09 ` Eric Auger
2022-11-16 21:00 ` [PATCH v5 12/19] iommufd: Add a HW pagetable object Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-27 15:12 ` Eric Auger
2022-11-16 21:00 ` [PATCH v5 13/19] iommufd: Add kAPI toward external drivers for physical devices Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-27 21:13 ` Eric Auger
2022-11-28 0:14 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-28 10:55 ` Eric Auger
2022-11-28 13:20 ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2022-11-28 14:17 ` Eric Auger
2022-11-29 1:09 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-16 21:00 ` [PATCH v5 14/19] iommufd: Add kAPI toward external drivers for kernel access Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-28 15:48 ` Eric Auger
2022-11-28 18:56 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-12-06 20:40 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-16 21:00 ` [PATCH v5 15/19] iommufd: vfio container FD ioctl compatibility Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-18 2:58 ` Tian, Kevin
2022-11-18 15:22 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-23 1:33 ` Tian, Kevin
2022-11-23 4:31 ` Jason Wang
2022-11-23 13:03 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-24 5:23 ` Tian, Kevin
2022-11-28 17:53 ` Eric Auger
2022-11-28 19:37 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-28 20:54 ` Eric Auger
2022-11-16 21:00 ` [PATCH v5 16/19] iommufd: Add kernel support for testing iommufd Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-16 21:00 ` [PATCH v5 17/19] iommufd: Add some fault injection points Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-16 21:00 ` [PATCH v5 18/19] iommufd: Add additional invariant assertions Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-16 21:00 ` [PATCH v5 19/19] iommufd: Add a selftest Jason Gunthorpe
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