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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Maxim Levitsky <mlevitsk@redhat.com>
Cc: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Alejandro Jimenez <alejandro.j.jimenez@oracle.com>,
	Suravee Suthikulpanit <suravee.suthikulpanit@amd.com>,
	Li RongQing <lirongqing@baidu.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 03/32] KVM: SVM: Flush the "current" TLB when activating AVIC
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2022 00:40:53 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Y5KEFdCfdFTplNZ5@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7930223f7593c67962e5bd67d7d334d87fbc2d3a.camel@redhat.com>

On Thu, Dec 08, 2022, Maxim Levitsky wrote:
> On Wed, 2022-12-07 at 18:02 +0200, Maxim Levitsky wrote:
> On Sat, 2022-10-01 at 00:58 +0000, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > --- a/arch/x86/kvm/svm/avic.c
> > +++ b/arch/x86/kvm/svm/avic.c
> > @@ -86,6 +86,12 @@ static void avic_activate_vmcb(struct vcpu_svm *svm)
> >                 /* Disabling MSR intercept for x2APIC registers */
> >                 svm_set_x2apic_msr_interception(svm, false);
> >         } else {
> > +               /*
> > +                * Flush the TLB, the guest may have inserted a non-APIC
> > +                * mapping into the TLB while AVIC was disabled.
> > +                */
> > +               kvm_make_request(KVM_REQ_TLB_FLUSH_CURRENT, &svm->vcpu);
> > +
> >                 /* For xAVIC and hybrid-xAVIC modes */
> >                 vmcb->control.avic_physical_id |= AVIC_MAX_PHYSICAL_ID;
> >                 /* Enabling MSR intercept for x2APIC registers */
> 
> 
> I agree, that if guest disables APIC on a vCPU, this will lead to call to
> kvm_apic_update_apicv which will disable AVIC, but if other vCPUs don't
> disable it, the AVIC's private memslot will still be mapped and guest could
> read/write it from this vCPU, and its TLB mapping needs to be invalidated
> if/when APIC is re-enabled.
>  
> However I think that this adds an unnecessarily (at least in the future)
> performance penalty to AVIC nesting coexistence:
>  
> L1's AVIC is inhibited on each nested VM entry, and uninhibited on each
> nested VM exit, but while nested the guest can't really access it as it has
> its own NPT.
>  
> With this patch KVM will invalidate L1's TLB on each nested VM exit. KVM
> sadly already does this but this can be fixed (its another thing on my TODO
> list)
>  
> Note that APICv doesn't have this issue, it is not inhibited on nested VM
> entry/exit, thus this code is not performance sensitive for APICv.
>  
>  
> I somewhat vote again, as I said before to disable the APICv/AVIC memslot, if
> any of vCPUs have APICv/AVIC hardware disabled, because it is also more
> correct from an x86 perspective. I do wonder how often is the usage of having
> "extra" cpus but not using them, and thus having their APIC in disabled
> state.

There are legimate scenarios where a kernel might want to disable the APIC on
select CPUs, e.g. to offline SMT siblings in BIOS.  Whether or not doing that in
a VM makes sense is debatable, but we really have no way of knowing if there are
existing guests that selectively disable APICs.

> KVM does support adding new vCPUs on the fly, so this shouldn't be needed,
> and APICv inhibit in this case is just a perf regression.

Heh, "just" a perf regression.  Inhibiting APICv would definitely be a perf regression
that people care about, e.g. see the very recent bug fixes:

https://lore.kernel.org/all/20221116205123.18737-1-gedwards@ddn.com
https://lore.kernel.org/all/1669984574-32692-1-git-send-email-yuanzhaoxiong@baidu.com

Conceptually, I like the idea of inhibiting the APICv memslot if a vCPU has its
APIC hardware disabled.  But practically speaking, because KVM has allowed that
scenario for years, I don't think we should introduce such an inhibit and risk
regressing guests.

> Or at least do this only when APIC does back from hardware disabled state to
> enabled.

I have no objection to fine tuning this in follow-up, but for this bug fix I'd
much prefer to go with this minimal change.  The nested SVM TLB flushing issue
extends far beyond this one case, i.e. needs a non-trivial overhaul and an audit
of pretty every piece of SVM code that can interact with TLBs.

  reply	other threads:[~2022-12-09  0:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-10-01  0:58 [PATCH v4 00/32] KVM: x86: AVIC and local APIC fixes+cleanups Sean Christopherson
2022-10-01  0:58 ` [PATCH v4 01/32] KVM: x86: Blindly get current x2APIC reg value on "nodecode write" traps Sean Christopherson
2022-12-08 21:47   ` Maxim Levitsky
2022-10-01  0:58 ` [PATCH v4 02/32] KVM: x86: Purge "highest ISR" cache when updating APICv state Sean Christopherson
2022-12-08 21:47   ` Maxim Levitsky
2022-10-01  0:58 ` [PATCH v4 03/32] KVM: SVM: Flush the "current" TLB when activating AVIC Sean Christopherson
     [not found]   ` <b9f336f17eec6bfbb8429700e0f135d19813c576.camel@redhat.com>
2022-12-08 21:52     ` Maxim Levitsky
2022-12-09  0:40       ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2022-12-08 22:02     ` Maxim Levitsky
2022-10-01  0:58 ` [PATCH v4 04/32] KVM: SVM: Process ICR on AVIC IPI delivery failure due to invalid target Sean Christopherson
2022-10-01  0:58 ` [PATCH v4 05/32] KVM: x86: Don't inhibit APICv/AVIC on xAPIC ID "change" if APIC is disabled Sean Christopherson
2022-12-08 21:53   ` Maxim Levitsky
2022-10-01  0:58 ` [PATCH v4 06/32] KVM: x86: Track xAPIC ID only on userspace SET, _after_ vAPIC is updated Sean Christopherson
2022-12-08 21:53   ` Maxim Levitsky
2022-10-01  0:58 ` [PATCH v4 07/32] KVM: x86: Don't inhibit APICv/AVIC if xAPIC ID mismatch is due to 32-bit ID Sean Christopherson
2022-12-08 21:53   ` Maxim Levitsky
2022-10-01  0:58 ` [PATCH v4 08/32] KVM: SVM: Don't put/load AVIC when setting virtual APIC mode Sean Christopherson
2022-12-08 21:53   ` Maxim Levitsky
2022-10-01  0:58 ` [PATCH v4 09/32] KVM: x86: Handle APICv updates for APIC "mode" changes via request Sean Christopherson
2022-12-08 21:54   ` Maxim Levitsky
2022-10-01  0:58 ` [PATCH v4 10/32] KVM: x86: Move APIC access page helper to common x86 code Sean Christopherson
2022-12-08 21:55   ` Maxim Levitsky
2022-10-01  0:58 ` [PATCH v4 11/32] KVM: x86: Inhibit APIC memslot if x2APIC and AVIC are enabled Sean Christopherson
2022-12-08 21:56   ` Maxim Levitsky
2022-12-16 19:03     ` Sean Christopherson
2022-12-16 19:40       ` Sean Christopherson
2022-12-27 11:25         ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-01-03 16:30           ` Sean Christopherson
2022-10-01  0:58 ` [PATCH v4 12/32] KVM: SVM: Replace "avic_mode" enum with "x2avic_enabled" boolean Sean Christopherson
2022-10-01  0:58 ` [PATCH v4 13/32] KVM: SVM: Compute dest based on sender's x2APIC status for AVIC kick Sean Christopherson
2022-10-01  0:58 ` [PATCH v4 14/32] KVM: SVM: Fix x2APIC Logical ID calculation for avic_kick_target_vcpus_fast Sean Christopherson
2022-10-01  0:58 ` [PATCH v4 15/32] Revert "KVM: SVM: Use target APIC ID to complete x2AVIC IRQs when possible" Sean Christopherson
2022-12-08 21:56   ` Maxim Levitsky
2022-10-01  0:58 ` [PATCH v4 16/32] KVM: SVM: Document that vCPU ID == APIC ID in AVIC kick fastpatch Sean Christopherson
2022-10-01  0:59 ` [PATCH v4 17/32] KVM: SVM: Add helper to perform final AVIC "kick" of single vCPU Sean Christopherson
2022-10-01  0:59 ` [PATCH v4 18/32] KVM: x86: Explicitly skip optimized logical map setup if vCPU's LDR==0 Sean Christopherson
2022-12-08 21:56   ` Maxim Levitsky
2022-10-01  0:59 ` [PATCH v4 19/32] KVM: x86: Explicitly track all possibilities for APIC map's logical modes Sean Christopherson
2022-12-08 21:57   ` Maxim Levitsky
2022-12-16 18:39     ` Sean Christopherson
2022-12-16 23:34       ` Sean Christopherson
2022-12-27 11:30         ` Paolo Bonzini
2022-10-01  0:59 ` [PATCH v4 20/32] KVM: x86: Skip redundant x2APIC logical mode optimized cluster setup Sean Christopherson
2022-12-08 21:57   ` Maxim Levitsky
2022-10-01  0:59 ` [PATCH v4 21/32] KVM: x86: Disable APIC logical map if logical ID covers multiple MDAs Sean Christopherson
2022-10-01  0:59 ` [PATCH v4 22/32] KVM: x86: Disable APIC logical map if vCPUs are aliased in logical mode Sean Christopherson
2022-10-01  0:59 ` [PATCH v4 23/32] KVM: x86: Honor architectural behavior for aliased 8-bit APIC IDs Sean Christopherson
2022-12-08 21:58   ` Maxim Levitsky
2022-10-01  0:59 ` [PATCH v4 24/32] KVM: x86: Inhibit APICv/AVIC if the optimized physical map is disabled Sean Christopherson
2022-12-08 21:58   ` Maxim Levitsky
2022-12-09  0:56     ` Sean Christopherson
2022-10-01  0:59 ` [PATCH v4 25/32] KVM: SVM: Inhibit AVIC if vCPUs are aliased in logical mode Sean Christopherson
2022-12-08 21:58   ` Maxim Levitsky
2022-10-01  0:59 ` [PATCH v4 26/32] KVM: SVM: Always update local APIC on writes to logical dest register Sean Christopherson
2022-12-08 21:58   ` Maxim Levitsky
2022-10-01  0:59 ` [PATCH v4 27/32] KVM: SVM: Update svm->ldr_reg cache even if LDR is "bad" Sean Christopherson
2022-12-08 21:59   ` Maxim Levitsky
2022-12-09  0:49     ` Sean Christopherson
2022-10-01  0:59 ` [PATCH v4 28/32] KVM: SVM: Require logical ID to be power-of-2 for AVIC entry Sean Christopherson
2022-12-08 22:00   ` Maxim Levitsky
2022-12-29  8:27     ` mlevitsk
2023-01-04 10:08       ` Maxim Levitsky
2023-01-04 18:02       ` Sean Christopherson
2023-01-04 18:34         ` Maxim Levitsky
2022-10-01  0:59 ` [PATCH v4 29/32] KVM: SVM: Handle multiple logical targets in AVIC kick fastpath Sean Christopherson
2022-12-08 22:00   ` Maxim Levitsky
2022-10-01  0:59 ` [PATCH v4 30/32] KVM: SVM: Ignore writes to Remote Read Data on AVIC write traps Sean Christopherson
2022-10-01  0:59 ` [PATCH v4 31/32] Revert "KVM: SVM: Do not throw warning when calling avic_vcpu_load on a running vcpu" Sean Christopherson
2022-12-08 22:01   ` Maxim Levitsky
2022-10-01  0:59 ` [PATCH v4 32/32] KVM: x86: Track required APICv inhibits with variable, not callback Sean Christopherson
2022-12-08 22:03   ` Maxim Levitsky
2022-12-27 11:22 ` [PATCH v4 00/32] KVM: x86: AVIC and local APIC fixes+cleanups Paolo Bonzini

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