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From: Oliver Upton <oliver.upton@linux.dev>
To: Ricardo Koller <ricarkol@google.com>
Cc: Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>,
	pbonzini@redhat.com, yuzenghui@huawei.com, dmatlack@google.com,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, kvmarm@lists.linux.dev, qperret@google.com,
	catalin.marinas@arm.com, andrew.jones@linux.dev,
	seanjc@google.com, alexandru.elisei@arm.com,
	suzuki.poulose@arm.com, eric.auger@redhat.com, gshan@redhat.com,
	reijiw@google.com, rananta@google.com, bgardon@google.com,
	ricarkol@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 6/9] KVM: arm64: Split huge pages when dirty logging is enabled
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2023 21:18:32 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Y9g0KGmsZqAZiTSP@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAOHnOrx-vvuZ9n8xDRmJTBCZNiqvcqURVyrEt2tDpw5bWT0qew@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jan 27, 2023 at 07:45:15AM -0800, Ricardo Koller wrote:
> Hi Marc,
> 
> On Thu, Jan 26, 2023 at 12:10 PM Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org> wrote:

[...]

> >
> > The one thing that would convince me to make it an option is the
> > amount of memory this thing consumes. 512+ pages is a huge amount, and
> > I'm not overly happy about that. Why can't this be a userspace visible
> > option, selectable on a per VM (or memslot) basis?
> >
> 
> It should be possible.  I am exploring a couple of ideas that could
> help when the hugepages are not 1G (e.g., 2M).  However, they add
> complexity and I'm not sure they help much.
> 
> (will be using PAGE_SIZE=4K to make things simpler)
> 
> This feature pre-allocates 513 pages before splitting every 1G range.
> For example, it converts 1G block PTEs into trees made of 513 pages.
> When not using this feature, the same 513 pages would be allocated,
> but lazily over a longer period of time.
> 
> Eager-splitting pre-allocates those pages in order to split huge-pages
> into fully populated trees.  Which is needed in order to use FEAT_BBM
> and skipping the expensive TLBI broadcasts.  513 is just the number of
> pages needed to break a 1G huge-page.
> 
> We could optimize for smaller huge-pages, like 2M by splitting 1
> huge-page at a time: only preallocate one 4K page at a time.  The
> trick is how to know that we are splitting 2M huge-pages.  We could
> either get the vma pagesize or use hints from userspace.  I'm not sure
> that this is worth it though.  The user will most likely want to split
> big ranges of memory (>1G), so optimizing for smaller huge-pages only
> converts the left into the right:
> 
> alloc 1 page            |    |  alloc 512 pages
> split 2M huge-page      |    |  split 2M huge-page
> alloc 1 page            |    |  split 2M huge-page
> split 2M huge-page      | => |  split 2M huge-page
>                         ...
> alloc 1 page            |    |  split 2M huge-page
> split 2M huge-page      |    |  split 2M huge-page
> 
> Still thinking of what else to do.

I think that Marc's suggestion of having userspace configure this is
sound. After all, userspace _should_ know the granularity of the backing
source it chose for guest memory.

We could also interpret a cache size of 0 to signal that userspace wants
to disable eager page split for a VM altogether. It is entirely possible
that the user will want a differing QoS between slice-of-hardware and
overcommitted VMs.

-- 
Thanks,
Oliver

  reply	other threads:[~2023-01-30 21:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-01-13  3:49 [PATCH 0/9] KVM: arm64: Eager Huge-page splitting for dirty-logging Ricardo Koller
2023-01-13  3:49 ` [PATCH 1/9] KVM: arm64: Add KVM_PGTABLE_WALK_REMOVED into ctx->flags Ricardo Koller
2023-01-24  0:51   ` Ben Gardon
2023-01-24  0:56     ` Oliver Upton
2023-01-24 16:32       ` Ricardo Koller
2023-01-24 18:00         ` Ben Gardon
2023-01-26 18:48           ` Ricardo Koller
2023-01-24 16:30     ` Ricardo Koller
2023-01-13  3:49 ` [PATCH 2/9] KVM: arm64: Add helper for creating removed stage2 subtrees Ricardo Koller
2023-01-24  0:55   ` Ben Gardon
2023-01-24 16:35     ` Ricardo Koller
2023-01-24 17:07       ` Oliver Upton
2023-01-13  3:49 ` [PATCH 3/9] KVM: arm64: Add kvm_pgtable_stage2_split() Ricardo Koller
2023-01-24  1:03   ` Ben Gardon
2023-01-24 16:46     ` Ricardo Koller
2023-01-24 17:11       ` Oliver Upton
2023-01-24 17:18         ` Ricardo Koller
2023-01-24 17:48           ` David Matlack
2023-01-24 20:28             ` Oliver Upton
2023-02-06  9:20   ` Zheng Chuan
2023-02-06 16:28     ` Ricardo Koller
2023-01-13  3:49 ` [PATCH 4/9] KVM: arm64: Refactor kvm_arch_commit_memory_region() Ricardo Koller
2023-01-13  3:49 ` [PATCH 5/9] KVM: arm64: Add kvm_uninit_stage2_mmu() Ricardo Koller
2023-01-13  3:49 ` [PATCH 6/9] KVM: arm64: Split huge pages when dirty logging is enabled Ricardo Koller
2023-01-24 17:52   ` Ben Gardon
2023-01-24 22:19     ` Oliver Upton
2023-01-24 22:45   ` Oliver Upton
2023-01-26 18:45     ` Ricardo Koller
2023-01-26 19:25       ` Ricardo Koller
2023-01-26 20:10       ` Marc Zyngier
2023-01-27 15:45         ` Ricardo Koller
2023-01-30 21:18           ` Oliver Upton [this message]
2023-01-31  1:18             ` Sean Christopherson
2023-01-31 17:45               ` Oliver Upton
2023-01-31 17:54                 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-01-31 19:06                   ` Oliver Upton
2023-01-31 18:01                 ` David Matlack
2023-01-31 18:19                   ` Ricardo Koller
2023-01-31 18:35                   ` Oliver Upton
2023-01-31 10:31             ` Marc Zyngier
2023-01-31 10:28           ` Marc Zyngier
2023-02-06 16:35             ` Ricardo Koller
2023-01-13  3:49 ` [PATCH 7/9] KVM: arm64: Open-code kvm_mmu_write_protect_pt_masked() Ricardo Koller
2023-01-13  3:49 ` [PATCH 8/9] KVM: arm64: Split huge pages during KVM_CLEAR_DIRTY_LOG Ricardo Koller
2023-01-13  3:50 ` [PATCH 9/9] KVM: arm64: Use local TLBI on permission relaxation Ricardo Koller
2023-01-24  0:48 ` [PATCH 0/9] KVM: arm64: Eager Huge-page splitting for dirty-logging Ben Gardon
2023-01-24 16:50   ` Ricardo Koller

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