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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Ben Gardon <bgardon@google.com>
Cc: David Matlack <dmatlack@google.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>,
	Jim Mattson <jmattson@google.com>,
	Wanpeng Li <wanpengli@tencent.com>,
	Vitaly Kuznetsov <vkuznets@redhat.com>,
	Janis Schoetterl-Glausch <scgl@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Junaid Shahid <junaids@google.com>,
	Oliver Upton <oupton@google.com>,
	Harish Barathvajasankar <hbarath@google.com>,
	Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>, Peter Shier <pshier@google.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 13/15] KVM: x86/mmu: Split large pages during CLEAR_DIRTY_LOG
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2021 20:16:57 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YafYOYdMqxzWiHRL@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CANgfPd_K9kBu9Fd83wx0heMiWziLthg9tXD=6GsvLsFd0GapYA@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Dec 01, 2021, Ben Gardon wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 1, 2021 at 11:22 AM Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com> wrote:
> > I would prefer we use hugepage when possible, mostly because that's the terminology
> > used by the kernel.  KVM is comically inconsistent, but if we make an effort to use
> > hugepage when adding new code, hopefully someday we'll have enough inertia to commit
> > fully to hugepage.
> 
> In my mind "huge page" implies 2M and "large page" is generic to 2m
> and 1g. (IDK if we settled on a name for 1G pages)

What about 4m PSE pages?  :-)

I'm mostly joking, but it does raise the point that trying to provide unique names
for each size is a bit of a fools errand, especially on non-x86 architectures that
support a broader variety of hugepage sizes.  IMO, the least ambiguous way to refer
to hugepages is to say that everything that isn't a 4k page (or whatever PAGE_SIZE
is on the architecture) is a hugepage, and then explicitly state the size of the
page if it matters.

> I've definitely been guilty of reinforcing this inconsistent
> terminology. (Though it was consistent in my head, of course.) If we
> want to pick one and use it everywhere, I'm happy to get onboard with
> a standard terminology.

I hear you on using "large page", I've had to undo a solid decade of "large page"
terminology from my pre-Linux days.  But for better or worse, the kernel uses
hugepage, e.g. hugetlbfs supports 1gb and 2mb pages.  I think we should follow
the kernel, especially since we have aspirations of unifying more of KVM's MMU
across multiple architectures.

  reply	other threads:[~2021-12-01 20:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-11-19 23:57 [RFC PATCH 00/15] KVM: x86/mmu: Eager Page Splitting for the TDP MMU David Matlack
2021-11-19 23:57 ` [RFC PATCH 01/15] KVM: x86/mmu: Rename rmap_write_protect to kvm_vcpu_write_protect_gfn David Matlack
2021-11-22 18:52   ` Ben Gardon
2021-11-26 12:18   ` Peter Xu
2021-11-19 23:57 ` [RFC PATCH 02/15] KVM: x86/mmu: Rename __rmap_write_protect to rmap_write_protect David Matlack
2021-11-22 18:52   ` Ben Gardon
2021-11-26 12:18   ` Peter Xu
2021-11-19 23:57 ` [RFC PATCH 03/15] KVM: x86/mmu: Automatically update iter->old_spte if cmpxchg fails David Matlack
2021-11-22 18:52   ` Ben Gardon
2021-11-30 23:25     ` David Matlack
2021-11-19 23:57 ` [RFC PATCH 04/15] KVM: x86/mmu: Factor out logic to atomically install a new page table David Matlack
2021-11-22 18:52   ` Ben Gardon
2021-11-30 23:27     ` David Matlack
2021-12-01 19:13   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-12-01 21:52     ` David Matlack
2021-11-19 23:57 ` [RFC PATCH 05/15] KVM: x86/mmu: Abstract mmu caches out to a separate struct David Matlack
2021-11-22 18:55   ` Ben Gardon
2021-11-22 18:55     ` Ben Gardon
2021-11-30 23:28     ` David Matlack
2021-11-19 23:57 ` [RFC PATCH 06/15] KVM: x86/mmu: Derive page role from parent David Matlack
2021-11-20 12:53   ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-11-27  2:07     ` Lai Jiangshan
2021-11-27 10:26       ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-11-30 23:31     ` David Matlack
2021-12-01  0:45       ` Sean Christopherson
2021-12-01 21:56         ` David Matlack
2021-11-19 23:57 ` [RFC PATCH 07/15] KVM: x86/mmu: Pass in vcpu->arch.mmu_caches instead of vcpu David Matlack
2021-11-22 18:56   ` Ben Gardon
2021-11-19 23:57 ` [RFC PATCH 08/15] KVM: x86/mmu: Helper method to check for large and present sptes David Matlack
2021-11-22 18:56   ` Ben Gardon
2021-12-01 18:34   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-12-01 21:13     ` David Matlack
2021-11-19 23:57 ` [RFC PATCH 09/15] KVM: x86/mmu: Move restore_acc_track_spte to spte.c David Matlack
2021-11-22 18:56   ` Ben Gardon
2021-11-19 23:57 ` [RFC PATCH 10/15] KVM: x86/mmu: Abstract need_resched logic from tdp_mmu_iter_cond_resched David Matlack
2021-11-22 18:56   ` Ben Gardon
2021-11-19 23:57 ` [RFC PATCH 11/15] KVM: x86/mmu: Refactor tdp_mmu iterators to take kvm_mmu_page root David Matlack
2021-11-22 18:56   ` Ben Gardon
2021-11-19 23:57 ` [RFC PATCH 12/15] KVM: x86/mmu: Split large pages when dirty logging is enabled David Matlack
2021-11-22  5:05   ` Nikunj A. Dadhania
2021-11-30 23:33     ` David Matlack
2021-11-22 19:30   ` Ben Gardon
2021-11-30 23:44     ` David Matlack
2021-11-26 12:01   ` Peter Xu
2021-11-30 23:56     ` David Matlack
2021-12-01  1:00       ` Sean Christopherson
2021-12-01  1:29         ` David Matlack
2021-12-01  2:29           ` Peter Xu
2021-12-01 18:29             ` Sean Christopherson
2021-12-01 21:36               ` David Matlack
2021-12-01 23:37                 ` Sean Christopherson
2021-12-02 17:41                   ` David Matlack
2021-12-02 18:42                     ` Sean Christopherson
2021-12-03  0:00                       ` David Matlack
2021-12-03  1:07                         ` Sean Christopherson
2021-12-03 17:22                           ` David Matlack
2021-11-19 23:57 ` [RFC PATCH 13/15] KVM: x86/mmu: Split large pages during CLEAR_DIRTY_LOG David Matlack
2021-11-26 12:17   ` Peter Xu
2021-12-01  0:16     ` David Matlack
2021-12-01  0:17       ` David Matlack
2021-12-01  4:03         ` Peter Xu
2021-12-01 22:14           ` David Matlack
2021-12-03  4:57             ` Peter Xu
2021-12-01 19:22   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-12-01 19:49     ` Ben Gardon
2021-12-01 20:16       ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2021-12-01 22:11         ` Ben Gardon
2021-12-01 22:17     ` David Matlack
2021-11-19 23:57 ` [RFC PATCH 14/15] KVM: x86/mmu: Add tracepoint for splitting large pages David Matlack
2021-11-19 23:57 ` [RFC PATCH 15/15] KVM: x86/mmu: Update page stats when " David Matlack
2021-12-01 19:36   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-12-01 21:11     ` David Matlack
2021-11-26 14:13 ` [RFC PATCH 00/15] KVM: x86/mmu: Eager Page Splitting for the TDP MMU Peter Xu
2021-11-30 23:22   ` David Matlack
2021-12-01  4:10     ` Peter Xu
2021-12-01  4:19       ` Peter Xu
2021-12-01 21:46       ` David Matlack

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