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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: David Matlack <dmatlack@google.com>
Cc: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>, Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, Ben Gardon <bgardon@google.com>,
	Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>, Jim Mattson <jmattson@google.com>,
	Wanpeng Li <wanpengli@tencent.com>,
	Vitaly Kuznetsov <vkuznets@redhat.com>,
	Janis Schoetterl-Glausch <scgl@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Junaid Shahid <junaids@google.com>,
	Oliver Upton <oupton@google.com>,
	Harish Barathvajasankar <hbarath@google.com>,
	Peter Shier <pshier@google.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 12/15] KVM: x86/mmu: Split large pages when dirty logging is enabled
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2021 01:07:35 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Yalt19BcT6pcnRX8@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALzav=et40yLPOWsbx7iGjW3c8CR-88xRQ46rGU=1XDVEjVwWA@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Dec 02, 2021, David Matlack wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 2, 2021 at 10:43 AM Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com> wrote:
> > Because they're two different things.  Lock contention is already handled by
> > tdp_mmu_iter_cond_resched().  If mmu_lock is not contended, holding it for a long
> > duration is a complete non-issue.
> 
> So I think you are positing that disabling reclaim will make the
> allocations fast enough that the time between
> tdp_mmu_iter_cond_resched checks will be acceptable.

Yep.

> Is there really no risk of long tail latency in kmem_cache_alloc() or
> __get_free_page()? Even if it's rare, they will be common at scale.

If there is a potentially long latency in __get_free_page(), then we're hosed no
matter what because per alloc_pages(), it's allowed in any context, including NMI,
IRQ, and Soft-IRQ.  I've no idea how often those contexts allocate, but I assume
it's not _that_ rare given the amount of stuff that networking does in Soft-IRQ
context, e.g. see the stack trace from commit 2620fe268e80, the use of PF_MEMALLOC,
the use of GFP_ATOMIC in napi_alloc_skb, etc...  Anb it's not just direct
allocations, e.g. anything that uses a radix tree or XArray will potentially
trigger allocation on insertion.

But I would be very, very surprised if alloc_pages() without GFP_DIRECT_RECLAIM
has a long tail latency, otherwise allocating from any atomic context would be
doomed.

> This is why I'm being so hesitant, and prefer to avoid the problem
> entirely by doing all allocations outside the lock. But I'm honestly
> more than happy to be convinced otherwise and go with your approach.

  reply	other threads:[~2021-12-03  1:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-11-19 23:57 [RFC PATCH 00/15] KVM: x86/mmu: Eager Page Splitting for the TDP MMU David Matlack
2021-11-19 23:57 ` [RFC PATCH 01/15] KVM: x86/mmu: Rename rmap_write_protect to kvm_vcpu_write_protect_gfn David Matlack
2021-11-22 18:52   ` Ben Gardon
2021-11-26 12:18   ` Peter Xu
2021-11-19 23:57 ` [RFC PATCH 02/15] KVM: x86/mmu: Rename __rmap_write_protect to rmap_write_protect David Matlack
2021-11-22 18:52   ` Ben Gardon
2021-11-26 12:18   ` Peter Xu
2021-11-19 23:57 ` [RFC PATCH 03/15] KVM: x86/mmu: Automatically update iter->old_spte if cmpxchg fails David Matlack
2021-11-22 18:52   ` Ben Gardon
2021-11-30 23:25     ` David Matlack
2021-11-19 23:57 ` [RFC PATCH 04/15] KVM: x86/mmu: Factor out logic to atomically install a new page table David Matlack
2021-11-22 18:52   ` Ben Gardon
2021-11-30 23:27     ` David Matlack
2021-12-01 19:13   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-12-01 21:52     ` David Matlack
2021-11-19 23:57 ` [RFC PATCH 05/15] KVM: x86/mmu: Abstract mmu caches out to a separate struct David Matlack
2021-11-22 18:55   ` Ben Gardon
2021-11-22 18:55     ` Ben Gardon
2021-11-30 23:28     ` David Matlack
2021-11-19 23:57 ` [RFC PATCH 06/15] KVM: x86/mmu: Derive page role from parent David Matlack
2021-11-20 12:53   ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-11-27  2:07     ` Lai Jiangshan
2021-11-27 10:26       ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-11-30 23:31     ` David Matlack
2021-12-01  0:45       ` Sean Christopherson
2021-12-01 21:56         ` David Matlack
2021-11-19 23:57 ` [RFC PATCH 07/15] KVM: x86/mmu: Pass in vcpu->arch.mmu_caches instead of vcpu David Matlack
2021-11-22 18:56   ` Ben Gardon
2021-11-19 23:57 ` [RFC PATCH 08/15] KVM: x86/mmu: Helper method to check for large and present sptes David Matlack
2021-11-22 18:56   ` Ben Gardon
2021-12-01 18:34   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-12-01 21:13     ` David Matlack
2021-11-19 23:57 ` [RFC PATCH 09/15] KVM: x86/mmu: Move restore_acc_track_spte to spte.c David Matlack
2021-11-22 18:56   ` Ben Gardon
2021-11-19 23:57 ` [RFC PATCH 10/15] KVM: x86/mmu: Abstract need_resched logic from tdp_mmu_iter_cond_resched David Matlack
2021-11-22 18:56   ` Ben Gardon
2021-11-19 23:57 ` [RFC PATCH 11/15] KVM: x86/mmu: Refactor tdp_mmu iterators to take kvm_mmu_page root David Matlack
2021-11-22 18:56   ` Ben Gardon
2021-11-19 23:57 ` [RFC PATCH 12/15] KVM: x86/mmu: Split large pages when dirty logging is enabled David Matlack
2021-11-22  5:05   ` Nikunj A. Dadhania
2021-11-30 23:33     ` David Matlack
2021-11-22 19:30   ` Ben Gardon
2021-11-30 23:44     ` David Matlack
2021-11-26 12:01   ` Peter Xu
2021-11-30 23:56     ` David Matlack
2021-12-01  1:00       ` Sean Christopherson
2021-12-01  1:29         ` David Matlack
2021-12-01  2:29           ` Peter Xu
2021-12-01 18:29             ` Sean Christopherson
2021-12-01 21:36               ` David Matlack
2021-12-01 23:37                 ` Sean Christopherson
2021-12-02 17:41                   ` David Matlack
2021-12-02 18:42                     ` Sean Christopherson
2021-12-03  0:00                       ` David Matlack
2021-12-03  1:07                         ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2021-12-03 17:22                           ` David Matlack
2021-11-19 23:57 ` [RFC PATCH 13/15] KVM: x86/mmu: Split large pages during CLEAR_DIRTY_LOG David Matlack
2021-11-26 12:17   ` Peter Xu
2021-12-01  0:16     ` David Matlack
2021-12-01  0:17       ` David Matlack
2021-12-01  4:03         ` Peter Xu
2021-12-01 22:14           ` David Matlack
2021-12-03  4:57             ` Peter Xu
2021-12-01 19:22   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-12-01 19:49     ` Ben Gardon
2021-12-01 20:16       ` Sean Christopherson
2021-12-01 22:11         ` Ben Gardon
2021-12-01 22:17     ` David Matlack
2021-11-19 23:57 ` [RFC PATCH 14/15] KVM: x86/mmu: Add tracepoint for splitting large pages David Matlack
2021-11-19 23:57 ` [RFC PATCH 15/15] KVM: x86/mmu: Update page stats when " David Matlack
2021-12-01 19:36   ` Sean Christopherson
2021-12-01 21:11     ` David Matlack
2021-11-26 14:13 ` [RFC PATCH 00/15] KVM: x86/mmu: Eager Page Splitting for the TDP MMU Peter Xu
2021-11-30 23:22   ` David Matlack
2021-12-01  4:10     ` Peter Xu
2021-12-01  4:19       ` Peter Xu
2021-12-01 21:46       ` David Matlack

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