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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>
Cc: Shivam Kumar <shivam.kumar1@nutanix.com>,
	pbonzini@redhat.com, james.morse@arm.com,
	borntraeger@linux.ibm.com, david@redhat.com, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	Shaju Abraham <shaju.abraham@nutanix.com>,
	Manish Mishra <manish.mishra@nutanix.com>,
	Anurag Madnawat <anurag.madnawat@nutanix.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 1/4] KVM: Implement dirty quota-based throttling of vcpus
Date: Thu, 26 May 2022 15:44:13 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Yo+gTbo5uqqAMjjX@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <878rqomnfr.wl-maz@kernel.org>

On Thu, May 26, 2022, Marc Zyngier wrote:
> > >> +{
> > >> +	struct kvm_run *run = vcpu->run;
> > >> +	u64 dirty_quota = READ_ONCE(run->dirty_quota);
> > >> +	u64 pages_dirtied = vcpu->stat.generic.pages_dirtied;
> > >> +
> > >> +	if (!dirty_quota || (pages_dirtied < dirty_quota))
> > >> +		return 1;
> > > What happens when page_dirtied becomes large and dirty_quota has to
> > > wrap to allow further progress?
> > Every time the quota is exhausted, userspace is expected to set it to
> > pages_dirtied + new quota. So, pages_dirtied will always follow dirty
> > quota. I'll be sending the qemu patches soon. Thanks.
> 
> Right, so let's assume that page_dirtied=0xffffffffffffffff (yes, I
> have dirtied that many pages).

Really?  Written that many bytes from a guest?  Maybe.  But actually marked that
many pages dirty in hardware, let alone in KVM?  And on a single CPU?

By my back of the napkin math, a 4096 CPU system running at 16ghz with each CPU
able to access one page of memory per cycle would take ~3 days to access 2^64
pages.

Assuming a ridiculously optimistic ~20 cycles to walk page tables, fetch the cache
line from memory, insert into the TLB, and mark the PTE dirty, that's still ~60
days to actually dirty that many pages in hardware.

Let's again be comically optimistic and assume KVM can somehow propagate a dirty
bit from hardware PTEs to the dirty bitmap/ring in another ~20 cycles.  That brings
us to ~1200 days.

But the stat is per vCPU, so that actually means it would take ~13.8k years for a
single vCPU/CPU to dirty 2^64 pages... running at a ludicrous 16ghz on a CPU with
latencies that are a likely an order of magnitude faster than anything that exists
today.

  reply	other threads:[~2022-05-26 15:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-05-21 20:29 [PATCH v4 0/4] KVM: Dirty quota-based throttling Shivam Kumar
2022-05-21 20:29 ` [PATCH v4 1/4] KVM: Implement dirty quota-based throttling of vcpus Shivam Kumar
2022-05-24  7:11   ` Marc Zyngier
2022-05-26  9:33     ` Shivam Kumar
2022-05-26 13:30       ` Marc Zyngier
2022-05-26 15:44         ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2022-05-26 16:16           ` Marc Zyngier
2022-05-26 17:46             ` Sean Christopherson
2022-05-30 11:05               ` Shivam Kumar
2022-07-05  7:21                 ` Shivam Kumar
2022-07-14 18:04                   ` Peter Xu
2022-07-14 20:48                     ` Sean Christopherson
2022-07-14 22:19                       ` Peter Xu
2022-07-15 16:23                         ` Sean Christopherson
2022-07-15 16:56                           ` Peter Xu
2022-07-15 17:07                             ` Sean Christopherson
2022-07-15 17:26                               ` Peter Xu
2022-07-15 22:38                                 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-05-21 20:29 ` [PATCH v4 2/4] KVM: arm64: Dirty " Shivam Kumar
2022-05-24  7:14   ` Marc Zyngier
2022-05-26  9:16     ` Shivam Kumar
2022-05-26 17:58       ` Sean Christopherson
2022-05-21 20:29 ` [PATCH v4 3/4] KVM: s390x: " Shivam Kumar
2022-05-21 20:29 ` [PATCH v4 4/4] KVM: selftests: Add selftests for dirty quota throttling Shivam Kumar

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