From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
Cc: Shivam Kumar <shivam.kumar1@nutanix.com>,
Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>,
pbonzini@redhat.com, james.morse@arm.com,
borntraeger@linux.ibm.com, david@redhat.com, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
Shaju Abraham <shaju.abraham@nutanix.com>,
Manish Mishra <manish.mishra@nutanix.com>,
Anurag Madnawat <anurag.madnawat@nutanix.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 1/4] KVM: Implement dirty quota-based throttling of vcpus
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2022 22:38:36 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <YtHsbBbwE4iAsfG5@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YtGjQNyQcN3GiVgS@xz-m1.local>
On Fri, Jul 15, 2022, Peter Xu wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 15, 2022 at 05:07:45PM +0000, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > On Fri, Jul 15, 2022, Peter Xu wrote:
> > > On Fri, Jul 15, 2022 at 04:23:54PM +0000, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > > > And the reasoning behind not having kvm_run.dirty_count is that it's fully
> > > > redundant if KVM provides a stat, and IMO such a stat will be quite helpful for
> > > > things beyond dirty quotas, e.g. being able to see which vCPUs are dirtying memory
> > > > from the command line for debug purposes.
> > >
> > > Not if with overflow in mind? Note that I totally agree the overflow may
> > > not even happen, but I think it makes sense to consider as a complete
> > > design of ceiling-based approach. Think the Millennium bug, we never know
> > > what will happen in the future..
> > >
> > > So no objection too on having stats for dirty pages, it's just that if we
> > > still want to cover the overflow issue we'd make dirty_count writable, then
> > > it'd still better be in kvm_run, imho.
> >
> > Yeah, never say never, but unless my math is wrong, overflow isn't happening anytime
> > soon. And if future CPUs can overflow the number of dirty pages, then they'll be
> > able to overflow a number of stats, at which point I think we'll want a generic
> > ioctl() to reset _all_ stats.
>
> It's slightly different as this affects functionality, unlike most stats.
Now that KVM exposes stats via ioctls, I don't think we should assume _anything_
about how userspace consumes stats. I.e. KVM should guarantee sane behavior and
correctness for all stats.
In other words, this different in that it _directly_ affects KVM functionality,
but I think at this point we should assume that any and all stats can indirectly
affect KVM functionality.
> I'll leave that to Shivam to see his preference. If to go that way, I hope
> we can at least have some WARN_ON_ONCE() on detecting overflows of "count".
I still think it's silly, but I definitely won't object to:
WARN_ON_ONCE(!++vcpu->stat.generic.pages_dirtied);
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-07-15 22:38 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-05-21 20:29 [PATCH v4 0/4] KVM: Dirty quota-based throttling Shivam Kumar
2022-05-21 20:29 ` [PATCH v4 1/4] KVM: Implement dirty quota-based throttling of vcpus Shivam Kumar
2022-05-24 7:11 ` Marc Zyngier
2022-05-26 9:33 ` Shivam Kumar
2022-05-26 13:30 ` Marc Zyngier
2022-05-26 15:44 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-05-26 16:16 ` Marc Zyngier
2022-05-26 17:46 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-05-30 11:05 ` Shivam Kumar
2022-07-05 7:21 ` Shivam Kumar
2022-07-14 18:04 ` Peter Xu
2022-07-14 20:48 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-07-14 22:19 ` Peter Xu
2022-07-15 16:23 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-07-15 16:56 ` Peter Xu
2022-07-15 17:07 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-07-15 17:26 ` Peter Xu
2022-07-15 22:38 ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2022-05-21 20:29 ` [PATCH v4 2/4] KVM: arm64: Dirty " Shivam Kumar
2022-05-24 7:14 ` Marc Zyngier
2022-05-26 9:16 ` Shivam Kumar
2022-05-26 17:58 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-05-21 20:29 ` [PATCH v4 3/4] KVM: s390x: " Shivam Kumar
2022-05-21 20:29 ` [PATCH v4 4/4] KVM: selftests: Add selftests for dirty quota throttling Shivam Kumar
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