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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Maxim Levitsky <mlevitsk@redhat.com>
Cc: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Suravee Suthikulpanit <suravee.suthikulpanit@amd.com>,
	Li RongQing <lirongqing@baidu.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 10/19] KVM: SVM: Document that vCPU ID == APIC ID in AVIC kick fastpatch
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 16:16:36 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Yw+JZODiHgvZVsAN@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <29542724f23fd15745bd137b99153bf8629907f0.camel@redhat.com>

On Wed, Aug 31, 2022, Maxim Levitsky wrote:
> On Wed, 2022-08-31 at 00:34 +0000, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > Document that AVIC is inhibited if any vCPU's APIC ID diverges from its
> > vCPU ID, i.e. that there's no need to check for a destination match in
> > the AVIC kick fast path.
> > 
> > Opportunistically tweak comments to remove "guest bug", as that suggests
> > KVM is punting on error handling, which is not the case.  Targeting a
> > non-existent vCPU or no vCPUs _may_ be a guest software bug, but whether
> > or not it's a guest bug is irrelevant.  Such behavior is architecturally
> > legal and thus needs to faithfully emulated by KVM (and it is).
> 
> I don't want to pick a fight,

Please don't hesitate to push back, I would much rather discuss points of contention
than have an ongoing, silent battle through patches.

> but personally these things *are* guest bugs / improper usage of APIC, and I
> don't think it is wrong to document them as such.

If the guest is intentionally exercising an edge case, e.g. KUT or selftests, then
from the guest's perspective its code/behavior isn't buggy.

I completely agree that abusing/aliasing logical IDs is improper usage and arguably
out of spec, but the scenarios here are very much in spec, e.g. a bitmap of '0'
isn't expressly forbidden and both Intel and AMD specs very clearly state that
APICs discard interrupt messages if they are not the destination.

But that's somewhat beside the point, as I have no objection to documenting scenarios
that are out-of-spec or undefined.  What I object to is documenting such scenarios as
"guest bugs".  If the CPU/APIC/whatever behavior is undefined, then document it
as undefined.  Saying "guest bug" doesn't help future readers understand what is
architecturally supposed to happen, whereas a comment like

	/*
	 * Logical IDs are architecturally "required" to be unique, i.e. this is
	 * technically undefined behavior.  Disable the optimized logical map so
	 * that KVM is consistent with itself, as the non-optimized matching
	 * logic with accept interrupts on all CPUs with the logical ID.
	 */

anchors KVM's behavior to the specs and explains why KVM does XYZ in response to
undefined behavior.

I feel very strongly about "guest bug" because KVM has a history of disregarding
architectural correctness and using a "good enough" approach.  Simply stating
"guest bug" makes it all the more difficult to differentiate between KVM handling
architecturally undefined behavior, versus KVM deviating from the spec because
someone decided that KVM's partial emulation/virtualziation was "good enough".

  reply	other threads:[~2022-08-31 16:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-08-31  0:34 [PATCH 00/19] KVM: x86: AVIC and local APIC fixes+cleanups Sean Christopherson
2022-08-31  0:34 ` [PATCH 01/19] KVM: SVM: Process ICR on AVIC IPI delivery failure due to invalid target Sean Christopherson
2022-08-31  9:18   ` Maxim Levitsky
2022-08-31  0:34 ` [PATCH 02/19] KVM: SVM: Don't put/load AVIC when setting virtual APIC mode Sean Christopherson
2022-08-31  9:24   ` Maxim Levitsky
2022-08-31 16:33     ` Sean Christopherson
2022-08-31  0:34 ` [PATCH 03/19] Revert "KVM: SVM: Introduce hybrid-AVIC mode" Sean Christopherson
2022-08-31  5:59   ` Maxim Levitsky
2022-08-31  6:45     ` Maxim Levitsky
2022-08-31 16:29       ` Sean Christopherson
2022-08-31 17:46         ` Maxim Levitsky
2022-08-31 17:58           ` Jim Mattson
2022-08-31 18:01             ` Maxim Levitsky
2022-08-31 19:12           ` Sean Christopherson
2022-09-01 10:25             ` Maxim Levitsky
2022-09-01 11:47               ` Jim Mattson
2022-09-01 13:29               ` Sean Christopherson
2022-09-01 13:53               ` Sean Christopherson
2022-09-01 15:08               ` Sean Christopherson
2022-08-31 16:19     ` Sean Christopherson
2022-08-31 17:47       ` Maxim Levitsky
2022-08-31  0:34 ` [PATCH 04/19] KVM: SVM: Replace "avic_mode" enum with "x2avic_enabled" boolean Sean Christopherson
2022-08-31  9:36   ` Maxim Levitsky
2022-08-31  0:34 ` [PATCH 05/19] KVM: SVM: Compute dest based on sender's x2APIC status for AVIC kick Sean Christopherson
2022-08-31  9:38   ` Maxim Levitsky
2022-09-01  2:56   ` Li,Rongqing
2022-08-31  0:34 ` [PATCH 06/19] KVM: SVM: Get x2APIC logical dest bitmap from ICRH[15:0], not ICHR[31:16] Sean Christopherson
2022-08-31  6:09   ` Maxim Levitsky
2022-08-31  9:43     ` Maxim Levitsky
2022-08-31 16:35       ` Sean Christopherson
2022-08-31 18:18         ` Maxim Levitsky
2022-08-31  0:34 ` [PATCH 07/19] KVM: SVM: Drop buggy and redundant AVIC "single logical dest" check Sean Christopherson
2022-08-31  6:19   ` Maxim Levitsky
2022-08-31 16:37     ` Sean Christopherson
2022-08-31 18:10       ` Maxim Levitsky
2022-08-31  0:34 ` [PATCH 08/19] KVM: SVM: Remove redundant cluster calculation that also creates a shadow Sean Christopherson
2022-08-31 10:19   ` Maxim Levitsky
2022-09-01 20:02     ` Sean Christopherson
2022-08-31  0:34 ` [PATCH 09/19] KVM: SVM: Drop duplicate calcuation of AVIC/x2AVIC "logical index" Sean Christopherson
2022-08-31  0:34 ` [PATCH 10/19] KVM: SVM: Document that vCPU ID == APIC ID in AVIC kick fastpatch Sean Christopherson
2022-08-31 10:22   ` Maxim Levitsky
2022-08-31 16:16     ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2022-08-31 17:49       ` Maxim Levitsky
2022-08-31  0:34 ` [PATCH 11/19] KVM: SVM: Add helper to perform final AVIC "kick" of single vCPU Sean Christopherson
2022-08-31 10:25   ` Maxim Levitsky
2022-08-31 15:08     ` Sean Christopherson
2022-08-31 18:12       ` Maxim Levitsky
2022-08-31  0:34 ` [PATCH 12/19] KVM: x86: Disable APIC logical map if logical ID covers multiple MDAs Sean Christopherson
2022-08-31 13:23   ` Maxim Levitsky
2022-08-31  0:35 ` [PATCH 13/19] KVM: x86: Disable APIC logical map if vCPUs are aliased in logical mode Sean Christopherson
2022-08-31 13:24   ` Maxim Levitsky
2022-08-31  0:35 ` [PATCH 14/19] KVM: x86: Honor architectural behavior for aliased 8-bit APIC IDs Sean Christopherson
2022-08-31 13:37   ` Maxim Levitsky
2022-08-31 16:41     ` Sean Christopherson
2022-08-31 17:51       ` Maxim Levitsky
2022-08-31  0:35 ` [PATCH 15/19] KVM: x86: Explicitly skip optimized logical map setup if vCPU's LDR==0 Sean Christopherson
2022-08-31 13:41   ` Maxim Levitsky
2022-08-31 16:47     ` Sean Christopherson
2022-08-31  0:35 ` [PATCH 16/19] KVM: x86: Explicitly track all possibilities for APIC map's logical modes Sean Christopherson
2022-08-31 13:43   ` Maxim Levitsky
2022-08-31 16:56     ` Sean Christopherson
2022-08-31 17:53       ` Maxim Levitsky
2022-09-16 18:58         ` Sean Christopherson
2022-08-31 18:42   ` Maxim Levitsky
2022-08-31 19:17     ` Sean Christopherson
2022-08-31  0:35 ` [PATCH 17/19] KVM: SVM: Handle multiple logical targets in AVIC kick fastpath Sean Christopherson
2022-08-31 13:57   ` Maxim Levitsky
2022-08-31 18:19     ` Sean Christopherson
2022-08-31 18:25       ` Maxim Levitsky
2022-08-31  0:35 ` [PATCH 18/19] KVM: SVM: Ignore writes to Remote Read Data on AVIC write traps Sean Christopherson
2022-08-31 10:40   ` Maxim Levitsky
2022-08-31  0:35 ` [PATCH 19/19] Revert "KVM: SVM: Do not throw warning when calling avic_vcpu_load on a running vcpu" Sean Christopherson
2022-08-31  6:07   ` Maxim Levitsky
2022-08-31  7:03     ` Maxim Levitsky

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