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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>
Cc: "Nikunj A. Dadhania" <nikunj@amd.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, thomas.lendacky@amd.com,
	 x86@kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org, mingo@redhat.com,
	tglx@linutronix.de,  dave.hansen@linux.intel.com,
	pgonda@google.com, pbonzini@redhat.com,
	 francescolavra.fl@gmail.com,
	Alexey Makhalov <alexey.makhalov@broadcom.com>,
	 Juergen Gross <jgross@suse.com>,
	Boris Ostrovsky <boris.ostrovsky@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v16 12/13] x86/tsc: Switch to native sched clock
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2025 09:02:34 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z36vqqTgrZp5Y3ab@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250108153420.GEZ36a_IqnzlHpmh6K@fat_crate.local>

On Wed, Jan 08, 2025, Borislav Petkov wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 08, 2025 at 06:00:59AM -0800, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > Ideally, if the TSC is the preferred clocksource, then the scheduler will use the
> > TSC and not a PV clock irrespective of STSC.  But I 100% agree with Boris that
> > it needs buy-in from other maintainers (including Paolo), because it's entirely
> > possible (likely, even) that there's an angle to scheduling I'm not considering.
> 
> That's exactly why I wanted to have this taken care of only for the STSC side
> of things now and temporarily. So that we can finally land those STSC patches
> - they've been pending for waaay too long.
> 
> And then ask Nikunj nicely to clean up this whole pv clock gunk, potentially
> kill some of those old clocksources which probably don't matter anymore.
> 
> But your call how/when you wanna do this.

I'm okay starting with just TDX and SNP guests, but I don't want to special case
SNP's Secure TSC anywhere in kvmclock or common TSC/sched code.

For TDX guests, the TSC is _always_ "secure".  So similar to singling out kvmclock,
handling SNP's STSC but not the TDX case again leaves the kernel in an inconsistent
state.  Which is why I originally suggested[*] fixing the sched_clock mess in a
generically; doing so would avoid the need to special case SNP or TDX in code
that doesn't/shouldn't care about SNP or TDX.

[*] https://lore.kernel.org/all/ZurCbP7MesWXQbqZ@google.com

> If you want the cleanup first, I'll take only a subset of the STSC set so that
> I can unload some of that set upstream.

My vote is to apply through "x86/sev: Mark Secure TSC as reliable clocksource",
and then split "x86/tsc: Switch Secure TSC guests away from kvm-clock" to grab
only the snp_secure_tsc_init() related changes (which is how that patch should
be constructed no matter what; adding support for MSR_AMD64_GUEST_TSC_FREQ has
nothing to do with kvmclock).

And then figure out how to wrangle clocksource and sched_clock in a way that is
sane and consistent.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-01-08 17:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-01-06 12:46 [PATCH v16 00/13] Add Secure TSC support for SNP guests Nikunj A Dadhania
2025-01-06 12:46 ` [PATCH v16 01/13] virt: sev-guest: Remove is_vmpck_empty() helper Nikunj A Dadhania
2025-01-07 18:38   ` Tom Lendacky
2025-01-06 12:46 ` [PATCH v16 02/13] virt: sev-guest: Replace GFP_KERNEL_ACCOUNT with GFP_KERNEL Nikunj A Dadhania
2025-01-07 18:40   ` Tom Lendacky
2025-01-06 12:46 ` [PATCH v16 03/13] x86/sev: Carve out and export SNP guest messaging init routines Nikunj A Dadhania
2025-01-06 12:46 ` [PATCH v16 04/13] x86/sev: Relocate SNP guest messaging routines to common code Nikunj A Dadhania
2025-01-06 12:46 ` [PATCH v16 05/13] x86/sev: Add Secure TSC support for SNP guests Nikunj A Dadhania
2025-01-07 10:42   ` Borislav Petkov
2025-01-07 11:43     ` Nikunj A. Dadhania
2025-01-07 12:37       ` Borislav Petkov
2025-01-07 18:53         ` Tom Lendacky
2025-01-07 19:18           ` Borislav Petkov
2025-01-08  7:47             ` Nikunj A. Dadhania
2025-01-08  8:05               ` Borislav Petkov
2025-01-08  8:37                 ` Nikunj A. Dadhania
2025-01-08  8:43                   ` Borislav Petkov
2025-01-07 19:46   ` Tom Lendacky
2025-01-07 19:53     ` Borislav Petkov
2025-01-06 12:46 ` [PATCH v16 06/13] x86/sev: Change TSC MSR behavior for Secure TSC enabled guests Nikunj A Dadhania
2025-01-07 20:09   ` Tom Lendacky
2025-01-06 12:46 ` [PATCH v16 07/13] x86/sev: Prevent GUEST_TSC_FREQ MSR interception " Nikunj A Dadhania
2025-01-06 12:46 ` [PATCH v16 08/13] x86/sev: Prevent RDTSC/RDTSCP " Nikunj A Dadhania
2025-01-06 12:46 ` [PATCH v16 09/13] x86/sev: Mark Secure TSC as reliable clocksource Nikunj A Dadhania
2025-01-06 12:46 ` [PATCH v16 10/13] x86/tsc: Switch Secure TSC guests away from kvm-clock Nikunj A Dadhania
2025-01-07 15:16   ` Borislav Petkov
2025-01-08 10:45     ` Nikunj A. Dadhania
2025-01-06 12:46 ` [PATCH v16 11/13] x86/tsc: Upgrade TSC clocksource rating for guests Nikunj A Dadhania
2025-01-07 17:51   ` Borislav Petkov
2025-01-06 12:46 ` [PATCH v16 12/13] x86/tsc: Switch to native sched clock Nikunj A Dadhania
2025-01-07 19:37   ` Borislav Petkov
2025-01-08  5:20     ` Nikunj A. Dadhania
2025-01-08  8:22       ` Borislav Petkov
2025-01-08  8:34         ` Nikunj A. Dadhania
2025-01-08 10:20           ` Nikunj A. Dadhania
2025-01-08 14:00             ` Sean Christopherson
2025-01-08 15:34               ` Borislav Petkov
2025-01-08 17:02                 ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2025-01-08 19:53                   ` Borislav Petkov
2025-01-09  6:32                   ` Nikunj A. Dadhania
2025-01-15 21:37                     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-01-16 16:25                       ` Borislav Petkov
2025-01-16 16:56                         ` Sean Christopherson
2025-01-17 20:28                           ` Borislav Petkov
2025-01-17 20:59                             ` Sean Christopherson
2025-01-21 11:32                               ` Borislav Petkov
2025-01-21  3:59                       ` Nikunj A. Dadhania
2025-01-28  5:41                       ` Nikunj A Dadhania
2025-01-06 12:46 ` [PATCH v16 13/13] x86/sev: Allow Secure TSC feature for SNP guests Nikunj A Dadhania

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