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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
Cc: Vitaly Kuznetsov <vkuznets@redhat.com>,
	paul@xen.org, Fred Griffoul <fgriffo@amazon.co.uk>,
	 kvm@vger.kernel.org, Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	 Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	 Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	x86@kernel.org,  "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] KVM: x86: Update Xen-specific CPUID leaves during mangling
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2025 14:00:22 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z5FqdjTwPmnV1t-1@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <06e9f951afb46098983dc009c0efbcef3fc1b246.camel@infradead.org>

On Wed, Jan 22, 2025, David Woodhouse wrote:
> On Wed, 2025-01-22 at 18:44 +0100, Vitaly Kuznetsov wrote:
> > > What is the purpose of the comparison anyway?

To avoid scenarios where KVM has configured state for a set of features X, and
doesn't correctly handle vCPU features suddenly become Y.  Or more commonly,
where correctly handling such transitions (if there's even a "correct" option)
is a complete waste of time and complexity because no sane setup will ever add
and/or remove features from a running VM.

> > > IIUC we want to ensure that a VMM does not change its mind after KVM_RUN
> > > so should we not be stashing what was set by the VMM and comparing
> > > against that *before* mangling any values?
> > 
> > I guess it can be done this way but we will need to keep these 'original'
> > unmangled values for the lifetime of the vCPU with very little gain (IMO):
> > KVM_SET_CPUID{,2} either fails (if the data is different) or does (almost)
> > nothing when the data is the same.

More importantly, userspace is allowed to set the CPUID returned by KVM_GET_CPUID2.
E.g. selftests do KVM_GET_CPUID2 specifically to read the bits that are managed
by KVM.

Disallowing that would likely break userspace, and would create a weird ABI where
the output of KVM_GET_CPUID2 is rejected by KVM_SET_CPUID2.

> If they're supposed to be entirely unchanged, would it suffice just to
> keep a hash of them?

  reply	other threads:[~2025-01-22 22:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-01-22 16:16 [PATCH] KVM: x86: Update Xen-specific CPUID leaves during mangling Fred Griffoul
2025-01-22 17:16 ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2025-01-22 17:19   ` Paul Durrant
2025-01-22 17:44     ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2025-01-22 18:53       ` David Woodhouse
2025-01-22 22:00         ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2025-01-23 12:35           ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2025-01-23 16:44             ` David Woodhouse
2025-01-23  1:13   ` Sean Christopherson
2025-01-23 13:24     ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2025-01-23 15:33       ` Griffoul, Fred

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