From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: "Naveen N Rao (AMD)" <naveen@kernel.org>,
kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Suravee Suthikulpanit <suravee.suthikulpanit@amd.com>,
Vasant Hegde <vasant.hegde@amd.com>,
Maxim Levitsky <mlevitsk@redhat.com>,
Vitaly Kuznetsov <vkuznets@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] KVM: x86: Decouple APICv activation state from apicv_inhibit_reasons
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2025 15:46:48 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z6FVaLOsPqmAPNWu@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <60cef3e4-8e94-4cf1-92ae-34089e78a82d@redhat.com>
On Mon, Feb 03, 2025, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> On 2/3/25 19:45, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > Unless there's a very, very good reason to support a use case that generates
> > ExtInts during boot, but _only_ during boot, and otherwise doesn't have any APICv
> > ihibits, I'm leaning towards making SVM's IRQ window inhibit sticky, i.e. never
> > clear it.
>
> BIOS tends to use PIT, so that may be too much. With respect to Naveen's report
> of contention on apicv_update_lock, I would go with the sticky-bit idea but apply
> it to APICV_INHIBIT_REASON_PIT_REINJ.
That won't work, at least not with yet more changes, because KVM creates the
in-kernel PIT with reinjection enabled by default. The stick-bit idea is that
if a bit is set and can never be cleared, then there's no need to track new
updates. Since userspace needs to explicitly disable reinjection, the inhibit
can't be sticky.
I assume We could fudge around that easily enough by deferring the inhibit until
a vCPU is created (or run?), but piggybacking PIT_REINJ won't help the userspace
I/O APIC case.
> I don't love adding another inhibit reason but, together, these two should
> remove the contention on apicv_update_lock. Another idea could be to move
> IRQWIN to per-vCPU reason but Maxim tells me that it's not so easy.
Oh, yeah, that reminds me of the other reason I would vote for a sticky flag:
if inhibition really is toggling rapidly, performance is going to be quite bad
because inhibiting APICv requires (a) zapping APIC SPTEs and (b) serializing
writers if multiple vCPUs trigger the 0=>1 transition.
And there's some amount of serialization even if there's only a single writer,
as KVM kicks all vCPUs to toggle APICv (and again to flush TLBs, if necessary).
Hmm, something doesn't add up. Naveen's changelog says:
KVM additionally inhibits AVIC for requesting a IRQ window every time it has
to inject external interrupts resulting in a barrage of inhibits being set and
cleared. This shows significant performance degradation compared to AVIC being
disabled, due to high contention on apicv_update_lock.
But if this is a "real world" use case where the only source of ExtInt is the
PIT, and kernels typically only wire up the PIT to the BSP, why is there
contention on apicv_update_lock? APICv isn't actually being toggled, so readers
blocking writers to handle KVM_REQ_APICV_UPDATE shouldn't be a problem.
Naveen, do you know why there's a contention on apicv_update_lock? Are multiple
vCPUs actually trying to inject ExtInt?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-02-03 23:46 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-02-03 17:03 [PATCH 0/3] KVM: x86: Address performance degradation due to APICv inhibits Naveen N Rao (AMD)
2025-02-03 17:03 ` [PATCH 1/3] KVM: x86: hyper-v: Convert synic_auto_eoi_used to an atomic Naveen N Rao (AMD)
2025-02-04 1:30 ` Maxim Levitsky
2025-02-04 13:09 ` Naveen N Rao
2025-02-04 19:33 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-02-05 11:00 ` Naveen N Rao
2025-02-03 17:03 ` [PATCH 2/3] KVM: x86: Remove use of apicv_update_lock when toggling guest debug state Naveen N Rao (AMD)
2025-02-04 2:00 ` Maxim Levitsky
2025-02-04 13:10 ` Naveen N Rao
2025-02-04 14:25 ` Naveen N Rao
2025-02-04 17:51 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-02-04 17:58 ` Paolo Bonzini
2025-02-04 19:42 ` Maxim Levitsky
2025-02-05 11:13 ` Naveen N Rao
2025-02-03 17:03 ` [PATCH 3/3] KVM: x86: Decouple APICv activation state from apicv_inhibit_reasons Naveen N Rao (AMD)
2025-02-03 18:45 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-02-03 22:22 ` Paolo Bonzini
2025-02-03 23:46 ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2025-02-04 1:23 ` Maxim Levitsky
2025-02-04 19:18 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-02-04 20:08 ` Maxim Levitsky
2025-02-05 1:41 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-02-05 10:54 ` Naveen N Rao
2025-02-05 11:36 ` Paolo Bonzini
2025-02-11 15:57 ` Naveen N Rao
2025-02-11 16:37 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-02-11 18:13 ` Naveen N Rao
2025-02-04 11:06 ` Naveen N Rao
2025-02-04 14:08 ` Paolo Bonzini
2025-02-11 14:37 ` Naveen N Rao
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