From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
Cc: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>, Paul Durrant <paul@xen.org>,
kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
syzbot+cdeaeec70992eca2d920@syzkaller.appspotmail.com,
Joao Martins <joao.m.martins@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/5] KVM: x86/xen: Restrict hypercall MSR to unofficial synthetic range
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2025 07:51:01 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z6OI5VMDlgLbqytM@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <cd3fb8dd79d7766f383748ec472de3943021eb39.camel@infradead.org>
On Wed, Feb 05, 2025, David Woodhouse wrote:
> On Wed, 2025-02-05 at 07:06 -0800, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > On Wed, Feb 05, 2025, David Woodhouse wrote:
> > > Especially as there is a corresponding requirement that they never be set
> > > from host context (which is where the potential locking issues come in).
> > > Which train of thought leads me to ponder this as an alternative (or
> > > additional) solution:
> > >
> > > --- a/arch/x86/kvm/x86.c
> > > +++ b/arch/x86/kvm/x86.c
> > > @@ -3733,7 +3733,13 @@ int kvm_set_msr_common(struct kvm_vcpu *vcpu, struct msr_data *msr_info)
> > > u32 msr = msr_info->index;
> > > u64 data = msr_info->data;
> > >
> > > - if (msr && msr == vcpu->kvm->arch.xen_hvm_config.msr)
> > > + /*
> > > + * Do not allow host-initiated writes to trigger the Xen hypercall
> > > + * page setup; it could incur locking paths which are not expected
> > > + * if userspace sets the MSR in an unusual location.
> >
> > That's just as likely to break userspace. Doing a save/restore on the MSR doesn't
> > make a whole lot of sense since it's effectively a "command" MSR, but IMO it's not
> > any less likely than userspace putting the MSR index outside of the synthetic range.
>
> Save/restore on the MSR makes no sense. It's a write-only MSR; writing
> to it has no effect *other* than populating the target page. In KVM we
> don't implement reading from it at all; I don't think Xen does either?
Hah, that's another KVM bug, technically. KVM relies on the MSR not being handled
in order to generate the write-only semantics, but if the MSR index collides with
an MSR that KVM emulates, then the MSR would be readable. KVM supports Hyper-V's
HV_X64_MSR_TSC_INVARIANT_CONTROL (0x40000118), so just a few hundred more MSRs
until fireworks :-)
If we want to close that hole, it'd be easy enough to add a check in
kvm_get_msr_common().
> Those two happen in reverse chronological order, don't they? And in the
> lower one the comment tells you that hyperv_enabled() doesn't work yet.
> When the higher one is called later, it calls kvm_xen_init() *again* to
> put the MSR in the right place.
>
> It could be prettier, but I don't think it's broken, is it?
Gah, -ENOCOFFEE.
> > Userspace breakage aside, disallowng host writes would fix the immediate issue,
> > and I think would mitigate all concerns with putting the host at risk. But it's
> > not enough to actually make an overlapping MSR index work. E.g. if the MSR is
> > passed through to the guest, the write will go through to the hardware MSR, unless
> > the WRMSR happens to be emulated.
> >
> > I really don't want to broadly support redirecting any MSR, because to truly go
> > down that path we'd need to deal with x2APIC, EFER, and other MSRs that have
> > special treatment and meaning.
> >
> > While KVM's stance is usually that a misconfigured vCPU model is userspace's
> > problem, in this case I don't see any value in letting userspace be stupid. It
> > can't work generally, it creates unique ABI for KVM_SET_MSRS, and unless there's
> > a crazy use case I'm overlooking, there's no sane reason for userspace to put the
> > index in outside of the synthetic range (whereas defining seemingly nonsensical
> > CPUID feature bits is useful for testing purposes, implementing support in
> > userspace, etc).
>
> Right, I think we should do *both*. Blocking host writes solves the
> issue of locking problems with the hypercall page setup. All it would
> take for that issue to recur is for us (or Microsoft) to invent a new
> MSR in the synthetic range which is also written on vCPU init/reset.
> And then the sanity check on where the VMM puts the Xen MSR doesn't
> save us.
Ugh, indeed. MSRs are quite the conundrum. Userspace MSR filters have a similar
problem, where it's impossible to know the semantics of future hardware MSRs, and
so it's impossible to document which MSRs userspace is allowed to intercept :-/
Oh! It doesn't help KVM avoid breaking userspace, but a way for QEMU to avoid a
future collision would be to have QEMU start at 0x40000200 when Hyper-V is enabled,
but then use KVM_GET_MSR_INDEX_LIST to detect a collision with KVM Hyper-V, e.g.
increment the index until an available index is found (with sanity checks and whatnot).
> But yes, we should *also* do that sanity check.
Ah, I'm a-ok with that.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-02-05 15:51 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-02-01 1:13 [PATCH 0/5] KVM: x86/xen: Restrict hypercall MSR index Sean Christopherson
2025-02-01 1:13 ` [PATCH 1/5] KVM: x86/xen: Restrict hypercall MSR to unofficial synthetic range Sean Christopherson
2025-02-03 9:09 ` Paul Durrant
2025-02-05 9:27 ` David Woodhouse
2025-02-05 15:06 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-02-05 15:26 ` David Woodhouse
2025-02-05 15:51 ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2025-02-05 16:18 ` David Woodhouse
2025-02-05 17:15 ` David Woodhouse
2025-02-05 19:20 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-02-06 18:58 ` David Woodhouse
2025-02-07 17:18 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-02-06 9:18 ` David Woodhouse
2025-02-06 16:51 ` David Woodhouse
2025-02-01 1:13 ` [PATCH 2/5] KVM: x86/xen: Add an #ifdef'd helper to detect writes to Xen MSR Sean Christopherson
2025-02-03 9:09 ` Paul Durrant
2025-02-06 16:28 ` David Woodhouse
2025-02-01 1:13 ` [PATCH 3/5] KVM: x86/xen: Consult kvm_xen_enabled when checking for Xen MSR writes Sean Christopherson
2025-02-03 9:15 ` Paul Durrant
2025-02-06 16:29 ` David Woodhouse
2025-02-01 1:13 ` [PATCH 4/5] KVM: x86/xen: Bury xen_hvm_config behind CONFIG_KVM_XEN=y Sean Christopherson
2025-02-03 9:19 ` Paul Durrant
2025-02-06 16:30 ` David Woodhouse
2025-02-01 1:14 ` [PATCH 5/5] KVM: x86/xen: Move kvm_xen_hvm_config field into kvm_xen Sean Christopherson
2025-02-03 9:21 ` Paul Durrant
2025-02-06 16:32 ` David Woodhouse
2025-02-06 19:14 ` [PATCH] KVM: x86/xen: Only write Xen hypercall page for guest writes to MSR David Woodhouse
2025-02-15 0:50 ` Sean Christopherson
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