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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
To: "Tian, Kevin" <kevin.tian@intel.com>
Cc: "iommu@lists.linux.dev" <iommu@lists.linux.dev>,
	"linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org"
	<linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org>,
	"kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	Nicolin Chen <nicolinc@nvidia.com>,
	"Liu, Yi L" <yi.l.liu@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/14] Add iommufd physical device operations for replace and alloc hwpt
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2023 08:46:11 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZAcyEzN4102gPsWC@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <BN9PR11MB52764E0C994D6B2519BD6F9B8CB79@BN9PR11MB5276.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

On Tue, Mar 07, 2023 at 08:42:06AM +0000, Tian, Kevin wrote:
> > From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2023 8:28 AM
> > 
> [...]
> > The implementation is complicated because we have to introduce some
> > per-iommu_group memory in iommufd and redo how we think about multi-
> > device
> > groups to be more explicit. This solves all the locking problems in the
> > prior attempts.
> > 
> 
> Now think about the pasid case.
> 
> pasid attach is managed as a device operation today:
> 	iommu_attach_device_pasid()
> 
> Following it naturally we'll have a pasid array per iommufd_device to
> track attached HWPT per pasid.
> 
> But internally there is only one pasid table per iommu group. i.e. same
> story as RID attach that once dev1 replaces hwpt on pasid1 then it takes
> effect on all other devices in the same group.

IMHO I can't belive that any actual systems that support PASID have a
RID aliasing problem too.

I think we should fix the iommu core to make PASID per-device and
require systems that have a RID aliasing problem to block PASID.

This is a bigger picture, if drivers have to optionally share their
PASID tables with other drivers then we can't have per-driver PASID
allocators at all either.

> Then confusion comes. If we must have explicit group object in iommufd
> to manage domain replacement per rid, then do we need the same
> explicit mechanism e.g. tracking pasid attached hwpt in iommufd_group
> instead of in iommufd_device? and have a iommu_attach_group_pasid() API.

If we make PASID per-group then yes

But no actual HW models per-group PASID to the VM so this is a
complete API disaster for vIOMMU. Better not to do it.

Jason

  reply	other threads:[~2023-03-07 12:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-02-25  0:27 [PATCH 00/14] Add iommufd physical device operations for replace and alloc hwpt Jason Gunthorpe
2023-02-25  0:27 ` [PATCH 01/14] iommufd: Move isolated msi enforcement to iommufd_device_bind() Jason Gunthorpe
2023-03-02  7:45   ` Tian, Kevin
2023-02-25  0:27 ` [PATCH 02/14] iommufd: Add iommufd_group Jason Gunthorpe
2023-03-02  7:55   ` Tian, Kevin
2023-03-02 12:51     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-03-03  2:13       ` Tian, Kevin
2023-03-06 19:16         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-03-07  2:32           ` Tian, Kevin
2023-02-25  0:27 ` [PATCH 03/14] iommufd: Replace the hwpt->devices list with iommufd_group Jason Gunthorpe
2023-03-02  8:01   ` Tian, Kevin
2023-03-06 20:22     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-03-07  2:38       ` Tian, Kevin
2023-03-07 13:53         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-03-08  7:29           ` Tian, Kevin
2023-03-08 19:00             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-02-25  0:27 ` [PATCH 04/14] iommufd: Use the iommufd_group to avoid duplicate reserved groups and msi setup Jason Gunthorpe
2023-03-02  8:06   ` Tian, Kevin
2023-03-02 12:55     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-03-03  2:16       ` Tian, Kevin
2023-02-25  0:27 ` [PATCH 05/14] iommufd: Make sw_msi_start a group global Jason Gunthorpe
2023-03-02  8:09   ` Tian, Kevin
2023-03-06 20:27     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-02-25  0:27 ` [PATCH 06/14] iommufd: Move putting a hwpt to a helper function Jason Gunthorpe
2023-03-02  8:12   ` Tian, Kevin
2023-03-06 20:29     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-02-25  0:27 ` [PATCH 07/14] iommufd: Add enforced_cache_coherency to iommufd_hw_pagetable_alloc() Jason Gunthorpe
2023-03-02  8:14   ` Tian, Kevin
2023-02-25  0:27 ` [PATCH 08/14] iommu: Introduce a new iommu_group_replace_domain() API Jason Gunthorpe
2023-03-02  8:16   ` Tian, Kevin
2023-02-25  0:27 ` [PATCH 09/14] iommufd: Add iommufd_device_replace() Jason Gunthorpe
2023-02-26  3:01   ` Baolu Lu
2023-02-27 13:58     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-02-28  1:50       ` Baolu Lu
2023-02-28 13:51         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-03-01  1:55           ` Baolu Lu
2023-02-26  3:13   ` Baolu Lu
2023-02-27 14:00     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-02-28  2:10       ` Baolu Lu
2023-02-28 13:52         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-03-01  2:23           ` Baolu Lu
2023-03-02  8:20   ` Tian, Kevin
2023-03-06 20:44     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-03-07  2:42       ` Tian, Kevin
2023-03-07 13:54         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-02-25  0:27 ` [PATCH 10/14] iommufd: Make destroy_rwsem use a lock class per object type Jason Gunthorpe
2023-02-25  0:27 ` [PATCH 11/14] iommufd/selftest: Test iommufd_device_replace() Jason Gunthorpe
2023-02-25  0:27 ` [PATCH 12/14] iommufd: Add IOMMU_HWPT_ALLOC Jason Gunthorpe
2023-03-06  1:42   ` Nicolin Chen
2023-03-06 20:31     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-03-17  3:02   ` Tian, Kevin
2023-03-17  4:02     ` Nicolin Chen
2023-03-17 10:20       ` Tian, Kevin
2023-03-21 17:16     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-02-25  0:27 ` [PATCH 13/14] iommufd/selftest: Return the real idev id from selftest mock_domain Jason Gunthorpe
2023-02-25  0:27 ` [PATCH 14/14] iommufd/selftest: Add a selftest for IOMMU_HWPT_ALLOC Jason Gunthorpe
2023-02-26 19:29   ` Nicolin Chen
2023-02-27 15:02     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-02-28  0:17       ` Nicolin Chen
2023-03-07  8:42 ` [PATCH 00/14] Add iommufd physical device operations for replace and alloc hwpt Tian, Kevin
2023-03-07 12:46   ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2023-03-08  2:08     ` Baolu Lu
2023-03-08  7:38       ` Tian, Kevin
2023-03-08 18:59         ` Jason Gunthorpe

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