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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: David Matlack <dmatlack@google.com>
Cc: Anish Moorthy <amoorthy@google.com>,
	pbonzini@redhat.com, maz@kernel.org, oliver.upton@linux.dev,
	jthoughton@google.com, bgardon@google.com, ricarkol@google.com,
	axelrasmussen@google.com, peterx@redhat.com, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	kvmarm@lists.linux.dev
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 00/22] Improve scalability of KVM + userfaultfd live migration via annotated memory faults.
Date: Wed, 10 May 2023 15:35:48 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZFwcRCSSlpCBspxy@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZFrG4KSacT/K9+k5@google.com>

On Tue, May 09, 2023, David Matlack wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 09:34:48PM +0000, Anish Moorthy wrote:
> > Upon receiving an annotated EFAULT, userspace may take appropriate
> > action to resolve the failed access. For instance, this might involve a
> > UFFDIO_CONTINUE or MADV_POPULATE_WRITE in the context of uffd-based live
> > migration postcopy.
> 
> As implemented, I think it will be prohibitively expensive if not
> impossible for userspace to determine why KVM is returning EFAULT when
> KVM_CAP_ABSENT_MAPPING_FAULT is enabled, which means userspace can't
> decide the correct action to take (try to resolve or bail).
> 
> Consider the direct_map() case in patch in PATCH 15. The only way to hit
> that condition is a logic bug in KVM or data corruption. There isn't
> really anything userspace can do to handle this situation, and it has no
> way to distinguish that from faults to due absent mappings.
> 
> We could end up hitting cases where userspace loops forever doing
> KVM_RUN, EFAULT, UFFDIO_CONTINUE/MADV_POPULATE_WRITE, KVM_RUN, EFAULT...
> 
> Maybe we should just change direct_map() to use KVM_BUG() and return
> something other than EFAULT. But the general problem still exists and
> even if we have confidence in all the current EFAULT sites, we don't have
> much protection against someone adding an EFAULT in the future that
> userspace can't handle.

Yeah, when I speed read the series, several of the conversions stood out as being
"wrong".  My (potentially unstated) idea was that KVM would only signal
KVM_EXIT_MEMORY_FAULT when the -EFAULT could be traced back to a user access,
i.e. when the fault _might_ be resolvable by userspace.

If we want to populate KVM_EXIT_MEMORY_FAULT even on kernel bugs, and anything
else that userspace can't possibly resolve, then the easiest thing would be to
add a flag to signal that the fault is fatal, i.e. that userspace shouldn't retry.
Adding a flag may be more robust in the long term as it will force developers to
think about whether or not a fault is fatal, versus relying on documentation to
say "don't signal KVM_EXIT_MEMORY_FAULT for fatal EFAULT conditions".

Side topic, KVM x86 really should have a version of KVM_SYNC_X86_REGS that stores
registers for userspace, but doesn't load registers.  That would allow userspace
to detect many infinite loops with minimal overhead, e.g. (1) set KVM_STORE_X86_REGS
during demand paging, (2) check RIP on every exit to see if the vCPU is making
forward progress, (3) escalate to checking all registers if RIP hasn't changed for
N exits, and finally (4) take action if the guest is well and truly stuck after
N more exits.  KVM could even store RIP on every exit if userspace wanted to avoid
the overhead of storing registers until userspace actually wants all registers.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-05-10 22:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-04-12 21:34 [PATCH v3 00/22] Improve scalability of KVM + userfaultfd live migration via annotated memory faults Anish Moorthy
2023-04-12 21:34 ` [PATCH v3 01/22] KVM: selftests: Allow many vCPUs and reader threads per UFFD in demand paging test Anish Moorthy
2023-04-19 13:51   ` Hoo Robert
2023-04-20 17:55     ` Anish Moorthy
2023-04-21 12:15       ` Robert Hoo
2023-04-21 16:21         ` Anish Moorthy
2023-04-12 21:34 ` [PATCH v3 02/22] KVM: selftests: Use EPOLL in userfaultfd_util reader threads and signal errors via TEST_ASSERT Anish Moorthy
2023-04-19 13:36   ` Hoo Robert
2023-04-19 23:26     ` Anish Moorthy
2023-04-12 21:34 ` [PATCH v3 03/22] KVM: Allow hva_pfn_fast() to resolve read-only faults Anish Moorthy
2023-04-12 21:34 ` [PATCH v3 04/22] KVM: x86: Set vCPU exit reason to KVM_EXIT_UNKNOWN at the start of KVM_RUN Anish Moorthy
2023-05-02 17:17   ` Anish Moorthy
2023-05-02 18:51     ` Sean Christopherson
2023-05-02 19:49       ` Anish Moorthy
2023-05-02 20:41         ` Sean Christopherson
2023-05-02 21:46           ` Anish Moorthy
2023-05-02 22:31             ` Sean Christopherson
2023-04-12 21:34 ` [PATCH v3 05/22] KVM: Add KVM_CAP_MEMORY_FAULT_INFO Anish Moorthy
2023-04-19 13:57   ` Hoo Robert
2023-04-20 18:09     ` Anish Moorthy
2023-04-21 12:28       ` Robert Hoo
2023-06-01 19:52   ` Oliver Upton
2023-06-01 20:30     ` Anish Moorthy
2023-06-01 21:29       ` Oliver Upton
2023-07-04 10:10   ` Kautuk Consul
2023-04-12 21:34 ` [PATCH v3 06/22] KVM: Add docstrings to __kvm_write_guest_page() and __kvm_read_guest_page() Anish Moorthy
2023-04-12 21:34 ` [PATCH v3 07/22] KVM: Annotate -EFAULTs from kvm_vcpu_write_guest_page() Anish Moorthy
2023-04-20 20:52   ` Peter Xu
2023-04-20 23:29     ` Anish Moorthy
2023-04-21 15:00       ` Peter Xu
2023-04-12 21:34 ` [PATCH v3 08/22] KVM: Annotate -EFAULTs from kvm_vcpu_read_guest_page() Anish Moorthy
2023-04-12 21:34 ` [PATCH v3 09/22] KVM: Annotate -EFAULTs from kvm_vcpu_map() Anish Moorthy
2023-04-20 20:53   ` Peter Xu
2023-04-20 23:34     ` Anish Moorthy
2023-04-21 14:58       ` Peter Xu
2023-04-12 21:34 ` [PATCH v3 10/22] KVM: x86: Annotate -EFAULTs from kvm_mmu_page_fault() Anish Moorthy
2023-04-12 21:34 ` [PATCH v3 11/22] KVM: x86: Annotate -EFAULTs from setup_vmgexit_scratch() Anish Moorthy
2023-04-12 21:35 ` [PATCH v3 12/22] KVM: x86: Annotate -EFAULTs from kvm_handle_page_fault() Anish Moorthy
2023-04-12 21:35 ` [PATCH v3 13/22] KVM: x86: Annotate -EFAULTs from kvm_hv_get_assist_page() Anish Moorthy
2023-04-12 21:35 ` [PATCH v3 14/22] KVM: x86: Annotate -EFAULTs from kvm_pv_clock_pairing() Anish Moorthy
2023-04-12 21:35 ` [PATCH v3 15/22] KVM: x86: Annotate -EFAULTs from direct_map() Anish Moorthy
2023-04-12 21:35 ` [PATCH v3 16/22] KVM: x86: Annotate -EFAULTs from kvm_handle_error_pfn() Anish Moorthy
2023-04-12 21:35 ` [PATCH v3 17/22] KVM: Introduce KVM_CAP_ABSENT_MAPPING_FAULT without implementation Anish Moorthy
2023-04-19 14:00   ` Hoo Robert
2023-04-20 18:23     ` Anish Moorthy
2023-04-24 21:02   ` Sean Christopherson
2023-06-01 16:04     ` Oliver Upton
2023-06-01 18:19   ` Oliver Upton
2023-06-01 18:59     ` Sean Christopherson
2023-06-01 19:29       ` Oliver Upton
2023-06-01 19:34         ` Sean Christopherson
2023-04-12 21:35 ` [PATCH v3 18/22] KVM: x86: Implement KVM_CAP_ABSENT_MAPPING_FAULT Anish Moorthy
2023-04-12 21:35 ` [PATCH v3 19/22] KVM: arm64: Annotate (some) -EFAULTs from user_mem_abort() Anish Moorthy
2023-04-12 21:35 ` [PATCH v3 20/22] KVM: arm64: Implement KVM_CAP_ABSENT_MAPPING_FAULT Anish Moorthy
2023-04-12 21:35 ` [PATCH v3 21/22] KVM: selftests: Add memslot_flags parameter to memstress_create_vm() Anish Moorthy
2023-04-12 21:35 ` [PATCH v3 22/22] KVM: selftests: Handle memory fault exits in demand_paging_test Anish Moorthy
2023-04-19 14:09   ` Hoo Robert
2023-04-19 16:40     ` Anish Moorthy
2023-04-20 22:47     ` Anish Moorthy
2023-04-27 15:48   ` James Houghton
2023-05-01 18:01     ` Anish Moorthy
2023-04-19 19:55 ` [PATCH v3 00/22] Improve scalability of KVM + userfaultfd live migration via annotated memory faults Peter Xu
2023-04-19 20:15   ` Axel Rasmussen
2023-04-19 21:05     ` Peter Xu
     [not found]       ` <CAF7b7mo68VLNp=QynfT7QKgdq=d1YYGv1SEVEDxF9UwHzF6YDw@mail.gmail.com>
2023-04-20 21:29         ` Peter Xu
2023-04-21 16:58           ` Anish Moorthy
2023-04-21 17:39           ` Nadav Amit
2023-04-24 17:54             ` Anish Moorthy
2023-04-24 19:44               ` Nadav Amit
2023-04-24 20:35                 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-04-24 23:47                   ` Nadav Amit
2023-04-25  0:26                     ` Sean Christopherson
2023-04-25  0:37                       ` Nadav Amit
2023-04-25  0:15                 ` Anish Moorthy
2023-04-25  0:54                   ` Nadav Amit
2023-04-27 16:38                     ` James Houghton
2023-04-27 20:26                   ` Peter Xu
2023-05-03 19:45                     ` Anish Moorthy
2023-05-03 20:09                       ` Sean Christopherson
     [not found]                       ` <ZFLPlRReglM/Vgfu@x1n>
2023-05-03 21:27                         ` Peter Xu
2023-05-03 21:42                           ` Sean Christopherson
2023-05-03 23:45                             ` Peter Xu
2023-05-04 19:09                               ` Peter Xu
2023-05-05 18:32                                 ` Anish Moorthy
2023-05-08  1:23                                   ` Peter Xu
2023-05-09 20:52                                     ` Anish Moorthy
2023-05-10 21:50                                       ` Peter Xu
2023-05-11 17:17                                         ` David Matlack
2023-05-11 17:33                                           ` Axel Rasmussen
2023-05-11 19:05                                             ` David Matlack
2023-05-11 19:45                                               ` Axel Rasmussen
2023-05-15 15:16                                                 ` Peter Xu
2023-05-15 15:05                                             ` Peter Xu
2023-05-15 17:16                                         ` Anish Moorthy
2023-05-05 20:05                               ` Nadav Amit
2023-05-08  1:12                                 ` Peter Xu
2023-04-20 23:42         ` Anish Moorthy
2023-05-09 22:19 ` David Matlack
2023-05-10 16:35   ` Anish Moorthy
2023-05-10 22:35   ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2023-05-10 23:44     ` Anish Moorthy
2023-05-23 17:49     ` Anish Moorthy
2023-06-01 22:43       ` Oliver Upton

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