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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Oliver Upton <oliver.upton@linux.dev>
Cc: Anish Moorthy <amoorthy@google.com>,
	pbonzini@redhat.com, maz@kernel.org, jthoughton@google.com,
	bgardon@google.com, dmatlack@google.com, ricarkol@google.com,
	axelrasmussen@google.com, peterx@redhat.com, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	kvmarm@lists.linux.dev
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 17/22] KVM: Introduce KVM_CAP_ABSENT_MAPPING_FAULT without implementation
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2023 11:59:29 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZHjqkdEOVUiazj5d@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZHjhSZFwEc+VfjGk@linux.dev>

On Thu, Jun 01, 2023, Oliver Upton wrote:
> Anish,
> 
> On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 09:35:05PM +0000, Anish Moorthy wrote:
> > +7.35 KVM_CAP_ABSENT_MAPPING_FAULT
> > +---------------------------------
> > +
> > +:Architectures: None
> > +:Returns: -EINVAL.
> > +
> > +The presence of this capability indicates that userspace may pass the
> > +KVM_MEM_ABSENT_MAPPING_FAULT flag to KVM_SET_USER_MEMORY_REGION to cause KVM_RUN
> > +to fail (-EFAULT) in response to page faults for which the userspace page tables
> > +do not contain present mappings. Attempting to enable the capability directly
> > +will fail.
> > +
> > +The range of guest physical memory causing the fault is advertised to userspace
> > +through KVM_CAP_MEMORY_FAULT_INFO (if it is enabled).
> 
> Maybe third time is the charm. I *really* do not like the
> interdependence between NOWAIT exits and the completely orthogonal
> annotation of existing EFAULT exits.

They're not completely orthogonal, because the touchpoints for NOWAIT are themselves
existing EFAULT exits.

> How do we support a userspace that only cares about NOWAIT exits but
> doesn't want other EFAULT exits to be annotated?

We don't.  The proposed approach is to not change the return value, and the
vcpu->run union currently holds random garbage on -EFAULT, so I don't see any reason
to require userspace to opt-in, or to let userspace opt-out.  I.e. fill
vcpu->run->memory_fault unconditionally (for the paths that are converted) and
advertise to userspace that vcpu->run->memory_fault *may* contain useful info on
-EFAULT when KVM_CAP_MEMORY_FAULT_INFO is supported.  And then we define KVM's
ABI such that vcpu->run->memory_fault is guarateed to be valid if an -EFAULT occurs
when faulting in guest memory (on supported architectures).

> It is very likely that userspace will only know how to resolve NOWAIT exits
> anyway. Since we do not provide a precise description of the conditions that
> caused an exit, there's no way for userspace to differentiate between NOWAIT
> exits and other exits it couldn't care less about.
> 
> NOWAIT exits w/o annotation (i.e. a 'bare' EFAULT) make even less sense
> since userspace cannot even tell what address needs fixing at that
> point.
> 
> This is why I had been suggesting we separate the two capabilities and
> make annotated exits an unconditional property of NOWAIT exits.

No, because as I've been stating ad nauseum, KVM cannot differentiate between a
NOWAIT -EFAULT and an -EFAULT that would have occurred regardless of the NOWAIT
behavior.  Defining the ABI to be that KVM fills memory_fault if and only if the
slot has NOWAIT will create a mess, e.g. if an -EFAULT occurs while userspace
is doing a KVM_SET_USER_MEMORY_REGION to set NOWAIT, userspace may or may not see
valid memory_fault information depending on when the vCPU grabbed its memslot
snapshot.

  reply	other threads:[~2023-06-01 18:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-04-12 21:34 [PATCH v3 00/22] Improve scalability of KVM + userfaultfd live migration via annotated memory faults Anish Moorthy
2023-04-12 21:34 ` [PATCH v3 01/22] KVM: selftests: Allow many vCPUs and reader threads per UFFD in demand paging test Anish Moorthy
2023-04-19 13:51   ` Hoo Robert
2023-04-20 17:55     ` Anish Moorthy
2023-04-21 12:15       ` Robert Hoo
2023-04-21 16:21         ` Anish Moorthy
2023-04-12 21:34 ` [PATCH v3 02/22] KVM: selftests: Use EPOLL in userfaultfd_util reader threads and signal errors via TEST_ASSERT Anish Moorthy
2023-04-19 13:36   ` Hoo Robert
2023-04-19 23:26     ` Anish Moorthy
2023-04-12 21:34 ` [PATCH v3 03/22] KVM: Allow hva_pfn_fast() to resolve read-only faults Anish Moorthy
2023-04-12 21:34 ` [PATCH v3 04/22] KVM: x86: Set vCPU exit reason to KVM_EXIT_UNKNOWN at the start of KVM_RUN Anish Moorthy
2023-05-02 17:17   ` Anish Moorthy
2023-05-02 18:51     ` Sean Christopherson
2023-05-02 19:49       ` Anish Moorthy
2023-05-02 20:41         ` Sean Christopherson
2023-05-02 21:46           ` Anish Moorthy
2023-05-02 22:31             ` Sean Christopherson
2023-04-12 21:34 ` [PATCH v3 05/22] KVM: Add KVM_CAP_MEMORY_FAULT_INFO Anish Moorthy
2023-04-19 13:57   ` Hoo Robert
2023-04-20 18:09     ` Anish Moorthy
2023-04-21 12:28       ` Robert Hoo
2023-06-01 19:52   ` Oliver Upton
2023-06-01 20:30     ` Anish Moorthy
2023-06-01 21:29       ` Oliver Upton
2023-07-04 10:10   ` Kautuk Consul
2023-04-12 21:34 ` [PATCH v3 06/22] KVM: Add docstrings to __kvm_write_guest_page() and __kvm_read_guest_page() Anish Moorthy
2023-04-12 21:34 ` [PATCH v3 07/22] KVM: Annotate -EFAULTs from kvm_vcpu_write_guest_page() Anish Moorthy
2023-04-20 20:52   ` Peter Xu
2023-04-20 23:29     ` Anish Moorthy
2023-04-21 15:00       ` Peter Xu
2023-04-12 21:34 ` [PATCH v3 08/22] KVM: Annotate -EFAULTs from kvm_vcpu_read_guest_page() Anish Moorthy
2023-04-12 21:34 ` [PATCH v3 09/22] KVM: Annotate -EFAULTs from kvm_vcpu_map() Anish Moorthy
2023-04-20 20:53   ` Peter Xu
2023-04-20 23:34     ` Anish Moorthy
2023-04-21 14:58       ` Peter Xu
2023-04-12 21:34 ` [PATCH v3 10/22] KVM: x86: Annotate -EFAULTs from kvm_mmu_page_fault() Anish Moorthy
2023-04-12 21:34 ` [PATCH v3 11/22] KVM: x86: Annotate -EFAULTs from setup_vmgexit_scratch() Anish Moorthy
2023-04-12 21:35 ` [PATCH v3 12/22] KVM: x86: Annotate -EFAULTs from kvm_handle_page_fault() Anish Moorthy
2023-04-12 21:35 ` [PATCH v3 13/22] KVM: x86: Annotate -EFAULTs from kvm_hv_get_assist_page() Anish Moorthy
2023-04-12 21:35 ` [PATCH v3 14/22] KVM: x86: Annotate -EFAULTs from kvm_pv_clock_pairing() Anish Moorthy
2023-04-12 21:35 ` [PATCH v3 15/22] KVM: x86: Annotate -EFAULTs from direct_map() Anish Moorthy
2023-04-12 21:35 ` [PATCH v3 16/22] KVM: x86: Annotate -EFAULTs from kvm_handle_error_pfn() Anish Moorthy
2023-04-12 21:35 ` [PATCH v3 17/22] KVM: Introduce KVM_CAP_ABSENT_MAPPING_FAULT without implementation Anish Moorthy
2023-04-19 14:00   ` Hoo Robert
2023-04-20 18:23     ` Anish Moorthy
2023-04-24 21:02   ` Sean Christopherson
2023-06-01 16:04     ` Oliver Upton
2023-06-01 18:19   ` Oliver Upton
2023-06-01 18:59     ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2023-06-01 19:29       ` Oliver Upton
2023-06-01 19:34         ` Sean Christopherson
2023-04-12 21:35 ` [PATCH v3 18/22] KVM: x86: Implement KVM_CAP_ABSENT_MAPPING_FAULT Anish Moorthy
2023-04-12 21:35 ` [PATCH v3 19/22] KVM: arm64: Annotate (some) -EFAULTs from user_mem_abort() Anish Moorthy
2023-04-12 21:35 ` [PATCH v3 20/22] KVM: arm64: Implement KVM_CAP_ABSENT_MAPPING_FAULT Anish Moorthy
2023-04-12 21:35 ` [PATCH v3 21/22] KVM: selftests: Add memslot_flags parameter to memstress_create_vm() Anish Moorthy
2023-04-12 21:35 ` [PATCH v3 22/22] KVM: selftests: Handle memory fault exits in demand_paging_test Anish Moorthy
2023-04-19 14:09   ` Hoo Robert
2023-04-19 16:40     ` Anish Moorthy
2023-04-20 22:47     ` Anish Moorthy
2023-04-27 15:48   ` James Houghton
2023-05-01 18:01     ` Anish Moorthy
2023-04-19 19:55 ` [PATCH v3 00/22] Improve scalability of KVM + userfaultfd live migration via annotated memory faults Peter Xu
2023-04-19 20:15   ` Axel Rasmussen
2023-04-19 21:05     ` Peter Xu
     [not found]       ` <CAF7b7mo68VLNp=QynfT7QKgdq=d1YYGv1SEVEDxF9UwHzF6YDw@mail.gmail.com>
2023-04-20 21:29         ` Peter Xu
2023-04-21 16:58           ` Anish Moorthy
2023-04-21 17:39           ` Nadav Amit
2023-04-24 17:54             ` Anish Moorthy
2023-04-24 19:44               ` Nadav Amit
2023-04-24 20:35                 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-04-24 23:47                   ` Nadav Amit
2023-04-25  0:26                     ` Sean Christopherson
2023-04-25  0:37                       ` Nadav Amit
2023-04-25  0:15                 ` Anish Moorthy
2023-04-25  0:54                   ` Nadav Amit
2023-04-27 16:38                     ` James Houghton
2023-04-27 20:26                   ` Peter Xu
2023-05-03 19:45                     ` Anish Moorthy
2023-05-03 20:09                       ` Sean Christopherson
     [not found]                       ` <ZFLPlRReglM/Vgfu@x1n>
2023-05-03 21:27                         ` Peter Xu
2023-05-03 21:42                           ` Sean Christopherson
2023-05-03 23:45                             ` Peter Xu
2023-05-04 19:09                               ` Peter Xu
2023-05-05 18:32                                 ` Anish Moorthy
2023-05-08  1:23                                   ` Peter Xu
2023-05-09 20:52                                     ` Anish Moorthy
2023-05-10 21:50                                       ` Peter Xu
2023-05-11 17:17                                         ` David Matlack
2023-05-11 17:33                                           ` Axel Rasmussen
2023-05-11 19:05                                             ` David Matlack
2023-05-11 19:45                                               ` Axel Rasmussen
2023-05-15 15:16                                                 ` Peter Xu
2023-05-15 15:05                                             ` Peter Xu
2023-05-15 17:16                                         ` Anish Moorthy
2023-05-05 20:05                               ` Nadav Amit
2023-05-08  1:12                                 ` Peter Xu
2023-04-20 23:42         ` Anish Moorthy
2023-05-09 22:19 ` David Matlack
2023-05-10 16:35   ` Anish Moorthy
2023-05-10 22:35   ` Sean Christopherson
2023-05-10 23:44     ` Anish Moorthy
2023-05-23 17:49     ` Anish Moorthy
2023-06-01 22:43       ` Oliver Upton

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