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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Jim Mattson <jmattson@google.com>
Cc: Mingwei Zhang <mizhang@google.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Ben Gardon <bgardon@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] KVM: x86/mmu: Remove KVM MMU write lock when accessing indirect_shadow_pages
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2023 13:42:32 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZJn4OFrQfTYpoIYE@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALMp9eRvUky-jcrkJ75N5-kvWWxVMNaf95XpyGTa_k49n48g9A@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jun 26, 2023, Jim Mattson wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 15, 2023 at 4:58 PM Mingwei Zhang <mizhang@google.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 6, 2023 at 5:28 PM Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jun 06, 2023, Mingwei Zhang wrote:
> > > > > > Hmm. I agree with both points above, but below, the change seems too
> > > > > > heavyweight. smp_wb() is a mfence(), i.e., serializing all
> > > > > > loads/stores before the instruction. Doing that for every shadow page
> > > > > > creation and destruction seems a lot.
> > > > >
> > > > > No, the smp_*b() variants are just compiler barriers on x86.
> > > >
> > > > hmm, it is a "lock addl" now for smp_mb(). Check this: 450cbdd0125c
> > > > ("locking/x86: Use LOCK ADD for smp_mb() instead of MFENCE")
> > > >
> > > > So this means smp_mb() is not a free lunch and we need to be a little
> > > > bit careful.
> > >
> > > Oh, those sneaky macros.  x86 #defines __smp_mb(), not the outer helper.  I'll
> > > take a closer look before posting to see if there's a way to avoid the runtime
> > > barrier.
> >
> > Checked again, I think using smp_wmb() and smp_rmb() should be fine as
> > those are just compiler barriers. We don't need a full barrier here.
> 
> That seems adequate.

Strictly speaking, no, because neither FNAME(fetch) nor kvm_mmu_pte_write() are
pure readers or writers.  FNAME(fetch) reads guest memory (guest PTEs) and writes
indirect_shadow_pages.   kvm_mmu_pte_write() writes guest memory (guest PTEs) and
reads indirect_shadow_pages (it later writes indirect_shadow_pages too, but that
write isn't relevant to the ordering we care about here).

      reply	other threads:[~2023-06-26 20:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-06-05  0:43 [PATCH] KVM: x86/mmu: Remove KVM MMU write lock when accessing indirect_shadow_pages Mingwei Zhang
2023-06-05 16:55 ` Jim Mattson
2023-06-05 17:17   ` Ben Gardon
2023-06-05 17:53     ` Mingwei Zhang
2023-06-05 18:27     ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-06-05 17:42   ` Mingwei Zhang
2023-06-05 18:11     ` Jim Mattson
2023-06-05 18:23       ` Mingwei Zhang
2023-06-05 18:25     ` Sean Christopherson
2023-06-06 22:46       ` Mingwei Zhang
2023-06-06 22:48         ` Mingwei Zhang
2023-06-06 23:07         ` Sean Christopherson
2023-06-07  0:23           ` Mingwei Zhang
2023-06-07  0:28             ` Sean Christopherson
2023-06-15 23:57               ` Mingwei Zhang
2023-06-26 17:38                 ` Jim Mattson
2023-06-26 20:42                   ` Sean Christopherson [this message]

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