From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Maxim Levitsky <mlevitsk@redhat.com>
Cc: Yang Weijiang <weijiang.yang@intel.com>,
pbonzini@redhat.com, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, dave.hansen@intel.com,
peterz@infradead.org, chao.gao@intel.com,
rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com, john.allen@amd.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 19/25] KVM: VMX: Emulate read and write to CET MSRs
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2023 16:58:45 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZUQ3tcuAxYQ5bWwC@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ff6b7e9d90d80feb9dcabb0fbd3808c04db3ff94.camel@redhat.com>
On Thu, Nov 02, 2023, Maxim Levitsky wrote:
> On Wed, 2023-11-01 at 09:31 -0700, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 31, 2023, Maxim Levitsky wrote:
> > > On Thu, 2023-09-14 at 02:33 -0400, Yang Weijiang wrote:
> > > > Add emulation interface for CET MSR access. The emulation code is split
> > > > into common part and vendor specific part. The former does common check
> > > > for MSRs and reads/writes directly from/to XSAVE-managed MSRs via the
> > > > helpers while the latter accesses the MSRs linked to VMCS fields.
> > > >
> > > > Signed-off-by: Yang Weijiang <weijiang.yang@intel.com>
> > > > ---
> >
> > ...
> >
> > > > + case MSR_IA32_PL0_SSP ... MSR_IA32_PL3_SSP:
> > > > + case MSR_KVM_SSP:
> > > > + if (host_msr_reset && kvm_cpu_cap_has(X86_FEATURE_SHSTK))
> > > > + break;
> > > > + if (!guest_can_use(vcpu, X86_FEATURE_SHSTK))
> > > > + return 1;
> > > > + if (index == MSR_KVM_SSP && !host_initiated)
> > > > + return 1;
> > > > + if (is_noncanonical_address(data, vcpu))
> > > > + return 1;
> > > > + if (index != MSR_IA32_INT_SSP_TAB && !IS_ALIGNED(data, 4))
> > > > + return 1;
> > > > + break;
> > > Once again I'll prefer to have an ioctl for setting/getting SSP, this will
> > > make the above code simpler (e.g there will be no need to check that write
> > > comes from the host/etc).
> >
> > I don't think an ioctl() would be simpler overall, especially when factoring in
> > userspace. With a synthetic MSR, we get the following quite cheaply:
> >
> > 1. Enumerating support to userspace.
> > 2. Save/restore of the value, e.g. for live migration.
> > 3. Vendor hooks for propagating values to/from the VMCS/VMCB.
> >
> > For an ioctl(),
> > #1 would require a capability, #2 (and #1 to some extent) would
> > require new userspace flows, and #3 would require new kvm_x86_ops hooks.
> >
> > The synthetic MSR adds a small amount of messiness, as does bundling
> > MSR_IA32_INT_SSP_TAB with the other shadow stack MSRs. The bulk of the mess comes
> > from the need to allow userspace to write '0' when KVM enumerated supported to
> > userspace.
>
> Let me put it this way - all hacks start like that, and in this case this is API/ABI hack
> so we will have to live with it forever.
Eh, I don't view it as a hack, at least the kind of hack that has a negative
connotation. KVM effectively has ~240 MSR indices reserved for whatever KVM
wants. The only weird thing about this one is that it's not accessible from the
guest. Which I agree is quite weird, but from a code perspective I think it
works quite well.
> Once there is a precedent, trust me there will be 10s of new 'fake' msrs added, and the
> interface will become one big mess.
That suggests MSRs aren't already one big mess. :-) I'm somewhat joking, but also
somewhat serious. I really don't think that adding one oddball synthetic MSR is
going to meaningfully move the needle on the messiness of MSRs.
Hmm, there probably is a valid slippery slope argument though. As you say, at
some point, enough state will get shoved into hardware that KVM will need an ever
growing number of synthetic MSRs to keep pace.
> As I suggested, if you don't want to add new capability/ioctl and vendor
> callback per new x86 arch register, then let's implement
> KVM_GET_ONE_REG/KVM_SET_ONE_REG and then it will be really easy to add new
> regs without confusing users, and without polluting msr namespace with msrs
> that don't exist.
I definitely don't hate the idea of KVM_{G,S}ET_ONE_REG, what I don't want is to
have an entirely separate path in KVM for handling the actual get/set.
What if we combine the approaches? Add KVM_{G,S}ET_ONE_REG support so that the
uAPI can use completely arbitrary register indices without having to worry about
polluting the MSR space and making MSR_KVM_SSP ABI.
Ooh, if we're clever, I bet we can extend KVM_{G,S}ET_ONE_REG to also work with
existing MSRs, GPRs, and other stuff, i.e. not force userspace through the funky
KVM_SET_MSRS just to set one reg, and not force a RMW of all GPRs just to set
RIP or something. E.g. use bits 39:32 of the id to encode the register class,
bits 31:0 to hold the index within a class, and reserve bits 63:40 for future
usage.
Then for KVM-defined registers, we can route them internally as needed, e.g. we
can still define MSR_KVM_SSP so that internal it's treated like an MSR, but its
index isn't ABI and so can be changed at will. And future KVM-defined registers
wouldn't _need_ to be treated like MSRs, i.e. we could route registers through
the MSR APIs if and only if it makes sense to do so.
Side topic, why on earth is the data value of kvm_one_reg "addr"?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-11-02 23:58 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
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2023-11-01 9:19 ` Yang, Weijiang
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2023-09-15 2:45 ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-09-15 16:35 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
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2023-10-24 8:50 ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-10-24 16:32 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-25 13:49 ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-10-31 17:43 ` Maxim Levitsky
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2023-09-15 6:30 ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-10-31 17:44 ` Maxim Levitsky
2023-09-14 6:33 ` [PATCH v6 04/25] x86/fpu/xstate: Introduce kernel dynamic xfeature set Yang Weijiang
2023-09-15 0:24 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-09-15 6:42 ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-10-31 17:44 ` Maxim Levitsky
2023-09-14 6:33 ` [PATCH v6 05/25] x86/fpu/xstate: Remove kernel dynamic xfeatures from kernel default_features Yang Weijiang
2023-09-14 16:22 ` Dave Hansen
2023-09-15 1:52 ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-10-31 17:44 ` Maxim Levitsky
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2023-09-14 17:40 ` Dave Hansen
2023-09-15 2:22 ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-10-24 17:07 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-25 14:49 ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-10-26 17:24 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-26 22:06 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-10-31 17:45 ` Maxim Levitsky
2023-11-01 14:16 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-11-02 18:20 ` Maxim Levitsky
2023-11-03 14:33 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-11-07 18:04 ` Maxim Levitsky
2023-11-14 9:13 ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-09-14 6:33 ` [PATCH v6 07/25] x86/fpu/xstate: Tweak guest fpstate to support kernel dynamic xfeatures Yang Weijiang
2023-10-31 17:45 ` Maxim Levitsky
2023-09-14 6:33 ` [PATCH v6 08/25] x86/fpu/xstate: WARN if normal fpstate contains " Yang Weijiang
2023-10-31 17:45 ` Maxim Levitsky
2023-09-14 6:33 ` [PATCH v6 09/25] KVM: x86: Rework cpuid_get_supported_xcr0() to operate on vCPU data Yang Weijiang
2023-10-31 17:46 ` Maxim Levitsky
2023-11-01 14:41 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-11-02 18:25 ` Maxim Levitsky
2023-09-14 6:33 ` [PATCH v6 10/25] KVM: x86: Add kvm_msr_{read,write}() helpers Yang Weijiang
2023-10-31 17:47 ` Maxim Levitsky
2023-11-01 19:32 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-11-02 18:26 ` Maxim Levitsky
2023-11-15 9:00 ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-09-14 6:33 ` [PATCH v6 11/25] KVM: x86: Report XSS as to-be-saved if there are supported features Yang Weijiang
2023-10-31 17:47 ` Maxim Levitsky
2023-11-01 19:18 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-11-02 18:31 ` Maxim Levitsky
2023-09-14 6:33 ` [PATCH v6 12/25] KVM: x86: Refresh CPUID on write to guest MSR_IA32_XSS Yang Weijiang
2023-10-08 5:54 ` Chao Gao
2023-10-10 0:49 ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-10-31 17:51 ` Maxim Levitsky
2023-11-01 17:20 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-11-15 7:18 ` Binbin Wu
2023-09-14 6:33 ` [PATCH v6 13/25] KVM: x86: Initialize kvm_caps.supported_xss Yang Weijiang
2023-10-31 17:51 ` Maxim Levitsky
2023-09-14 6:33 ` [PATCH v6 14/25] KVM: x86: Load guest FPU state when access XSAVE-managed MSRs Yang Weijiang
2023-10-31 17:51 ` Maxim Levitsky
2023-11-01 18:05 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-11-02 18:31 ` Maxim Levitsky
2023-11-03 8:46 ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-11-03 14:02 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-09-14 6:33 ` [PATCH v6 15/25] KVM: x86: Add fault checks for guest CR4.CET setting Yang Weijiang
2023-10-31 17:51 ` Maxim Levitsky
2023-09-14 6:33 ` [PATCH v6 16/25] KVM: x86: Report KVM supported CET MSRs as to-be-saved Yang Weijiang
2023-10-08 6:19 ` Chao Gao
2023-10-10 0:54 ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-10-31 17:52 ` Maxim Levitsky
2023-09-14 6:33 ` [PATCH v6 17/25] KVM: VMX: Introduce CET VMCS fields and control bits Yang Weijiang
2023-10-31 17:52 ` Maxim Levitsky
2023-09-14 6:33 ` [PATCH v6 18/25] KVM: x86: Use KVM-governed feature framework to track "SHSTK/IBT enabled" Yang Weijiang
2023-10-31 17:54 ` Maxim Levitsky
2023-11-01 15:46 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-11-02 18:35 ` Maxim Levitsky
2023-11-04 0:07 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-11-07 18:05 ` Maxim Levitsky
2023-09-14 6:33 ` [PATCH v6 19/25] KVM: VMX: Emulate read and write to CET MSRs Yang Weijiang
2023-10-31 17:55 ` Maxim Levitsky
2023-11-01 16:31 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-11-02 18:38 ` Maxim Levitsky
2023-11-02 23:58 ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2023-11-07 18:12 ` Maxim Levitsky
2023-11-07 18:39 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-11-03 8:18 ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-11-03 22:26 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-09-14 6:33 ` [PATCH v6 20/25] KVM: x86: Save and reload SSP to/from SMRAM Yang Weijiang
2023-10-31 17:55 ` Maxim Levitsky
2023-09-14 6:33 ` [PATCH v6 21/25] KVM: VMX: Set up interception for CET MSRs Yang Weijiang
2023-10-31 17:56 ` Maxim Levitsky
2023-09-14 6:33 ` [PATCH v6 22/25] KVM: VMX: Set host constant supervisor states to VMCS fields Yang Weijiang
2023-10-31 17:56 ` Maxim Levitsky
2023-09-14 6:33 ` [PATCH v6 23/25] KVM: x86: Enable CET virtualization for VMX and advertise to userspace Yang Weijiang
2023-09-24 13:38 ` kernel test robot
2023-09-25 0:26 ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-10-31 17:56 ` Maxim Levitsky
2023-11-01 22:14 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-09-14 6:33 ` [PATCH v6 24/25] KVM: nVMX: Introduce new VMX_BASIC bit for event error_code delivery to L1 Yang Weijiang
2023-10-31 17:57 ` Maxim Levitsky
2023-11-01 4:21 ` Chao Gao
2023-11-15 8:31 ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-11-15 13:27 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-09-14 6:33 ` [PATCH v6 25/25] KVM: nVMX: Enable CET support for nested guest Yang Weijiang
2023-10-31 17:57 ` Maxim Levitsky
2023-11-01 2:09 ` Chao Gao
2023-11-01 9:22 ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-11-01 9:54 ` Maxim Levitsky
2023-11-15 8:56 ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-11-15 8:23 ` Yang, Weijiang
2023-09-25 0:31 ` [PATCH v6 00/25] Enable CET Virtualization Yang, Weijiang
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