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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Maxim Levitsky <mlevitsk@redhat.com>
Cc: John Allen <john.allen@amd.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	 pbonzini@redhat.com, weijiang.yang@intel.com,
	rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com,  x86@kernel.org,
	thomas.lendacky@amd.com, bp@alien8.de
Subject: Re: [PATCH 6/9] KVM: SVM: Add MSR_IA32_XSS to the GHCB for hypervisor kernel
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2023 16:22:28 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZUQvNIE9iU5TqJfw@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5e413e05de559971cdc2d1a9281a8a271590f62b.camel@redhat.com>

On Thu, Nov 02, 2023, Maxim Levitsky wrote:
> On Tue, 2023-10-10 at 20:02 +0000, John Allen wrote:
> > @@ -3032,6 +3037,9 @@ static void sev_es_init_vmcb(struct vcpu_svm *svm)
> >  		if (guest_cpuid_has(&svm->vcpu, X86_FEATURE_RDTSCP))
> >  			svm_clr_intercept(svm, INTERCEPT_RDTSCP);
> >  	}
> > +
> > +	if (kvm_caps.supported_xss)
> > +		set_msr_interception(vcpu, svm->msrpm, MSR_IA32_XSS, 1, 1);
> 
> This is not just a virtualization hole. This allows the guest to set MSR_IA32_XSS
> to whatever value it wants, and thus it might allow XSAVES to access some host msrs
> that guest must not be able to access.
> 
> AMD might not yet have such msrs, but on Intel side I do see various components
> like 'HDC State', 'HWP state' and such.

The approach AMD has taken with SEV-ES+ is to have ucode context switch everything
that the guest can access.  So, in theory, if/when AMD adds more XCR0/XSS-based
features, that state will also be context switched.

Don't get me wrong, I hate this with a passion, but it's not *quite* fatally unsafe,
just horrific.

> I understand that this is needed so that #VC handler could read this msr, and
> trying to read it will cause another #VC which is probably not allowed (I
> don't know this detail of SEV-ES)
> 
> I guess #VC handler should instead use a kernel cached value of this msr
> instead, or at least KVM should only allow reads and not writes to it.

Nope, doesn't work.  In addition to automatically context switching state, SEV-ES
also encrypts the guest state, i.e. KVM *can't* correctly virtualize XSS (or XCR0)
for the guest, because KVM *can't* load the guest's desired value into hardware.

The guest can do #VMGEXIT (a.k.a. VMMCALL) all it wants to request a certain XSS
or XCR0, and there's not a damn thing KVM can do to service the request.

  reply	other threads:[~2023-11-02 23:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-10-10 20:02 [PATCH 0/9] SVM guest shadow stack support John Allen
2023-10-10 20:02 ` [PATCH 1/9] KVM: x86: SVM: Emulate reads and writes to shadow stack MSRs John Allen
2023-11-02 18:00   ` Maxim Levitsky
2023-10-10 20:02 ` [PATCH 2/9] KVM: x86: SVM: Update dump_vmcb with shadow stack save area additions John Allen
2023-11-02 18:00   ` Maxim Levitsky
2023-10-10 20:02 ` [PATCH 3/9] KVM: x86: SVM: Pass through shadow stack MSRs John Allen
2023-10-12  9:01   ` Nikunj A. Dadhania
2023-10-17 18:17     ` John Allen
2023-10-18 11:27       ` Nikunj A. Dadhania
2023-11-02 18:05         ` Maxim Levitsky
2023-11-06 16:45           ` Sean Christopherson
2023-11-07 18:20             ` Maxim Levitsky
2023-11-07 23:10               ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-10 20:02 ` [PATCH 4/9] KVM: SVM: Rename vmplX_ssp -> plX_ssp John Allen
2023-11-02 18:06   ` Maxim Levitsky
2023-10-10 20:02 ` [PATCH 5/9] KVM: SVM: Save shadow stack host state on VMRUN John Allen
2023-11-02 18:07   ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-02-26 16:56     ` John Allen
2023-10-10 20:02 ` [PATCH 6/9] KVM: SVM: Add MSR_IA32_XSS to the GHCB for hypervisor kernel John Allen
2023-10-14  0:31   ` Sean Christopherson
2023-11-02 18:10   ` Maxim Levitsky
2023-11-02 23:22     ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2023-11-07 18:20       ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-02-15 17:39         ` John Allen
2024-02-20 16:20           ` Sean Christopherson
2024-02-20 16:33             ` John Allen
2024-02-21 16:38     ` John Allen
2023-10-10 20:02 ` [PATCH 7/9] x86/sev-es: Include XSS value in GHCB CPUID request John Allen
2023-10-12 12:59   ` Borislav Petkov
2023-10-17 18:12     ` John Allen
2023-10-17 18:49       ` Borislav Petkov
2023-11-02 18:14         ` Maxim Levitsky
2023-10-10 20:02 ` [PATCH 8/9] KVM: SVM: Use KVM-governed features to track SHSTK John Allen
2023-11-02 18:07   ` Maxim Levitsky
2023-10-10 20:02 ` [PATCH 9/9] KVM: SVM: Add CET features to supported_xss John Allen
2023-11-02 18:07   ` Maxim Levitsky

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