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From: Oliver Upton <oliver.upton@linux.dev>
To: David Matlack <dmatlack@google.com>
Cc: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>,
	Anish Moorthy <amoorthy@google.com>,
	maz@kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org, kvmarm@lists.linux.dev,
	robert.hoo.linux@gmail.com, jthoughton@google.com,
	axelrasmussen@google.com, peterx@redhat.com,
	nadav.amit@gmail.com, isaku.yamahata@gmail.com,
	kconsul@linux.vnet.ibm.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 06/14] KVM: Add memslot flag to let userspace force an exit on missing hva mappings
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2024 21:45:43 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Ze6Md/RF8Lbg38Rf@thinky-boi> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZeuxaHlZzI4qnnFq@google.com>

Hey,

Thanks Sean for bringing this up on the list, didn't have time for a lot
of upstream stuffs :)

On Fri, Mar 08, 2024 at 04:46:32PM -0800, David Matlack wrote:
> On 2024-03-08 02:07 PM, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > On Thu, Feb 15, 2024, Anish Moorthy wrote:
> > > diff --git a/Documentation/virt/kvm/api.rst b/Documentation/virt/kvm/api.rst
> > > index 9f5d45c49e36..bf7bc21d56ac 100644
> > > --- a/Documentation/virt/kvm/api.rst
> > > +++ b/Documentation/virt/kvm/api.rst
> > > @@ -1353,6 +1353,7 @@ yet and must be cleared on entry.
> > >    #define KVM_MEM_LOG_DIRTY_PAGES	(1UL << 0)
> > >    #define KVM_MEM_READONLY	(1UL << 1)
> > >    #define KVM_MEM_GUEST_MEMFD      (1UL << 2)
> > > +  #define KVM_MEM_EXIT_ON_MISSING  (1UL << 3)
> > 
> > David M.,
> > 
> > Before this gets queued anywhere, a few questions related to the generic KVM
> > userfault stuff you're working on:
> > 
> >   1. Do you anticipate reusing KVM_MEM_EXIT_ON_MISSING to communicate that a vCPU
> >      should exit to userspace, even for guest_memfd?  Or are you envisioning the
> >      "data invalid" gfn attribute as being a superset?
> > 
> >      We danced very close to this topic in the PUCK call, but I don't _think_ we
> >      ever explicitly talked about whether or not KVM_MEM_EXIT_ON_MISSING would
> >      effectively be obsoleted by a KVM_SET_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES-based "invalid data"
> >      flag.
> > 
> >      I was originally thinking that KVM_MEM_EXIT_ON_MISSING would be re-used,
> >      but after re-watching parts of the PUCK recording, e.g. about decoupling
> >      KVM from userspace page tables, I suspect past me was wrong.
> 
> No I don't anticipate reusing KVM_MEM_EXIT_ON_MISSING.
> 
> The plan is to introduce a new gfn attribute and exit to userspace based
> on that. I do forsee having an on/off switch for the new attribute, but
> it wouldn't make sense to reuse KVM_MEM_EXIT_ON_MISSING for that.

With that in mind, unless someone else has a usecase for the
KVM_MEM_EXIT_ON_MISSING behavior my *strong* preference is that we not
take this bit of the series upstream. The "memory fault" UAPI should
still be useful when the KVM userfault stuff comes along.

Anish, apologies, you must have whiplash from all the bikeshedding,
nitpicking, and other fun you've been put through on this series. Thanks
for being patient.

> > 
> >   2. What is your best guess as to when KVM userfault patches will be available,
> >      even if only in RFC form?
> 
> We're aiming for the end of April for RFC with KVM/ARM support.

Just to make sure everyone is read in on what this entails -- is this
the implementation that only worries about vCPUs touching non-present
memory, leaving the question of other UAPIs that consume guest memory
(e.g. GIC/ITS table save/restore) up for further discussion?

-- 
Thanks,
Oliver

  reply	other threads:[~2024-03-11  4:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-02-15 23:53 [PATCH v7 00/14] Improve KVM + userfaultfd performance via KVM_EXIT_MEMORY_FAULTs on stage-2 faults Anish Moorthy
2024-02-15 23:53 ` [PATCH v7 01/14] KVM: Clarify meaning of hva_to_pfn()'s 'atomic' parameter Anish Moorthy
2024-02-15 23:53 ` [PATCH v7 02/14] KVM: Add function comments for __kvm_read/write_guest_page() Anish Moorthy
2024-02-15 23:53 ` [PATCH v7 03/14] KVM: Documentation: Make note of the KVM_MEM_GUEST_MEMFD memslot flag Anish Moorthy
2024-04-09 22:47   ` Sean Christopherson
2024-02-15 23:53 ` [PATCH v7 04/14] KVM: Simplify error handling in __gfn_to_pfn_memslot() Anish Moorthy
2024-04-09 22:44   ` Sean Christopherson
2024-02-15 23:53 ` [PATCH v7 05/14] KVM: Define and communicate KVM_EXIT_MEMORY_FAULT RWX flags to userspace Anish Moorthy
2024-02-15 23:53 ` [PATCH v7 06/14] KVM: Add memslot flag to let userspace force an exit on missing hva mappings Anish Moorthy
2024-03-08 22:07   ` Sean Christopherson
2024-03-09  0:46     ` David Matlack
2024-03-11  4:45       ` Oliver Upton [this message]
2024-03-11 16:20         ` David Matlack
2024-07-03 17:34           ` Nikita Kalyazin
2024-07-03 20:11             ` David Matlack
2024-07-04 10:10               ` Nikita Kalyazin
2024-03-11 16:36         ` Sean Christopherson
2024-03-11 17:08           ` Anish Moorthy
2024-03-11 21:21             ` Oliver Upton
2024-02-15 23:53 ` [PATCH v7 07/14] KVM: x86: Enable KVM_CAP_EXIT_ON_MISSING and annotate EFAULTs from stage-2 fault handler Anish Moorthy
2024-02-15 23:53 ` [PATCH v7 08/14] KVM: arm64: Enable KVM_CAP_MEMORY_FAULT_INFO and annotate fault in the " Anish Moorthy
2024-03-04 20:00   ` Oliver Upton
2024-03-04 20:10     ` Oliver Upton
2024-03-04 20:32       ` Sean Christopherson
2024-03-04 21:03         ` Oliver Upton
2024-03-04 22:49           ` Sean Christopherson
2024-03-05  1:01             ` Oliver Upton
2024-03-05 15:39               ` Sean Christopherson
2024-02-15 23:54 ` [PATCH v7 09/14] KVM: arm64: Implement and advertise KVM_CAP_EXIT_ON_MISSING Anish Moorthy
2024-02-15 23:54 ` [PATCH v7 10/14] KVM: selftests: Report per-vcpu demand paging rate from demand paging test Anish Moorthy
2024-04-09 22:49   ` Sean Christopherson
2024-02-15 23:54 ` [PATCH v7 11/14] KVM: selftests: Allow many vCPUs and reader threads per UFFD in " Anish Moorthy
2024-04-09 22:58   ` Sean Christopherson
2024-02-15 23:54 ` [PATCH v7 12/14] KVM: selftests: Use EPOLL in userfaultfd_util reader threads and signal errors via TEST_ASSERT Anish Moorthy
2024-02-15 23:54 ` [PATCH v7 13/14] KVM: selftests: Add memslot_flags parameter to memstress_create_vm() Anish Moorthy
2024-02-15 23:54 ` [PATCH v7 14/14] KVM: selftests: Handle memory fault exits in demand_paging_test Anish Moorthy
2024-02-16  7:36 ` [PATCH v7 00/14] Improve KVM + userfaultfd performance via KVM_EXIT_MEMORY_FAULTs on stage-2 faults Gupta, Pankaj
2024-02-16 20:00   ` Anish Moorthy
2024-02-16 23:40     ` Axel Rasmussen
2024-02-21  7:35       ` Gupta, Pankaj
2024-04-10  0:19 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-05-07 17:38   ` Anish Moorthy

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