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From: Quentin Perret <qperret@google.com>
To: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
Cc: Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>,
	Vishal Annapurve <vannapurve@google.com>,
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Subject: Re: folio_mmapped
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2024 10:58:38 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZgVNXpUS8Ku37BLp@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5cec1f98-17a5-4120-bbf4-b487c2caf92c@redhat.com>

On Thursday 28 Mar 2024 at 11:32:21 (+0100), David Hildenbrand wrote:
> ... does that mean that for pKVM with protected VMs, "shared" pages are also
> never migratable/swappable?

In our current implementation, yes, KVM keeps its longterm GUP pin on
pages that are shared back. And we might want to retain this behaviour
in the short term, even with guest_memfd or using the hybrid approach
you suggested. But that could totally be relaxed in the future, it's
"just" a matter of adding extra support to the hypervisor for that. That
has not been prioritized yet since the number of shared pages in
practice is relatively small for current use-cases, so ballooning was a
better option (and in the case of ballooning, we do drop the GUP pin).
But that's clearly on the TODO list!

> The whole reason I brought up the guest_memfd+memfd pair idea is that you
> would similarly be able to do the conversion in the kernel, BUT, you'd never
> be able to mmap+GUP encrypted pages.
> 
> Essentially you're using guest_memfd for what it was designed for: private
> memory that is inaccessible.

Ack, that sounds pretty reasonable to me. But I think we'd still want to
make sure the other users of guest_memfd have the _desire_ to support
huge pages,  migration, swap (probably longer term), and related
features, otherwise I don't think a guest_memfd-based option will
really work for us :-)

Thanks,
Quentin

  reply	other threads:[~2024-03-28 10:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-02-22 16:10 [RFC PATCH v1 00/26] KVM: Restricted mapping of guest_memfd at the host and pKVM/arm64 support Fuad Tabba
2024-02-22 16:10 ` [RFC PATCH v1 01/26] KVM: Split KVM memory attributes into user and kernel attributes Fuad Tabba
2024-02-22 16:10 ` [RFC PATCH v1 02/26] KVM: Introduce kvm_gmem_get_pfn_locked(), which retains the folio lock Fuad Tabba
2024-02-22 16:10 ` [RFC PATCH v1 03/26] KVM: Add restricted support for mapping guestmem by the host Fuad Tabba
2024-02-22 16:28   ` David Hildenbrand
2024-02-26  8:58     ` Fuad Tabba
2024-02-26  9:57       ` David Hildenbrand
2024-02-26 17:30         ` Fuad Tabba
2024-02-27  7:40           ` David Hildenbrand
2024-02-22 16:10 ` [RFC PATCH v1 04/26] KVM: Don't allow private attribute to be set if mapped by host Fuad Tabba
2024-04-17 23:27   ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-18 10:54   ` David Hildenbrand
2024-02-22 16:10 ` [RFC PATCH v1 05/26] KVM: Don't allow private attribute to be removed for unmappable memory Fuad Tabba
2024-02-22 16:10 ` [RFC PATCH v1 06/26] KVM: Implement kvm_(read|/write)_guest_page for private memory slots Fuad Tabba
2024-02-22 16:10 ` [RFC PATCH v1 07/26] KVM: arm64: Turn llist of pinned pages into an rb-tree Fuad Tabba
2024-02-22 16:10 ` [RFC PATCH v1 08/26] KVM: arm64: Implement MEM_RELINQUISH SMCCC hypercall Fuad Tabba
2024-02-22 16:10 ` [RFC PATCH v1 09/26] KVM: arm64: Strictly check page type in MEM_RELINQUISH hypercall Fuad Tabba
2024-02-22 16:10 ` [RFC PATCH v1 10/26] KVM: arm64: Avoid unnecessary unmap walk " Fuad Tabba
2024-02-22 16:10 ` [RFC PATCH v1 11/26] KVM: arm64: Add initial support for KVM_CAP_EXIT_HYPERCALL Fuad Tabba
2024-02-22 16:10 ` [RFC PATCH v1 12/26] KVM: arm64: Allow userspace to receive SHARE and UNSHARE notifications Fuad Tabba
2024-02-22 16:10 ` [RFC PATCH v1 13/26] KVM: arm64: Create hypercall return handler Fuad Tabba
2024-02-22 16:10 ` [RFC PATCH v1 14/26] KVM: arm64: Refactor code around handling return from host to guest Fuad Tabba
2024-02-22 16:10 ` [RFC PATCH v1 15/26] KVM: arm64: Rename kvm_pinned_page to kvm_guest_page Fuad Tabba
2024-02-22 16:10 ` [RFC PATCH v1 16/26] KVM: arm64: Add a field to indicate whether the guest page was pinned Fuad Tabba
2024-02-22 16:10 ` [RFC PATCH v1 17/26] KVM: arm64: Do not allow changes to private memory slots Fuad Tabba
2024-02-22 16:10 ` [RFC PATCH v1 18/26] KVM: arm64: Skip VMA checks for slots without userspace address Fuad Tabba
2024-02-22 16:10 ` [RFC PATCH v1 19/26] KVM: arm64: Handle guest_memfd()-backed guest page faults Fuad Tabba
2024-02-22 16:10 ` [RFC PATCH v1 20/26] KVM: arm64: Track sharing of memory from protected guest to host Fuad Tabba
2024-02-22 16:10 ` [RFC PATCH v1 21/26] KVM: arm64: Mark a protected VM's memory as unmappable at initialization Fuad Tabba
2024-02-22 16:10 ` [RFC PATCH v1 22/26] KVM: arm64: Handle unshare on way back to guest entry rather than exit Fuad Tabba
2024-02-22 16:10 ` [RFC PATCH v1 23/26] KVM: arm64: Check that host unmaps memory unshared by guest Fuad Tabba
2024-02-22 16:10 ` [RFC PATCH v1 24/26] KVM: arm64: Add handlers for kvm_arch_*_set_memory_attributes() Fuad Tabba
2024-02-22 16:10 ` [RFC PATCH v1 25/26] KVM: arm64: Enable private memory support when pKVM is enabled Fuad Tabba
2024-02-22 16:10 ` [RFC PATCH v1 26/26] KVM: arm64: Enable private memory kconfig for arm64 Fuad Tabba
2024-02-22 23:43 ` [RFC PATCH v1 00/26] KVM: Restricted mapping of guest_memfd at the host and pKVM/arm64 support Elliot Berman
2024-02-23  0:35   ` folio_mmapped Matthew Wilcox
2024-02-26  9:28     ` folio_mmapped David Hildenbrand
2024-02-26 21:14       ` folio_mmapped Elliot Berman
2024-02-27 14:59         ` folio_mmapped David Hildenbrand
2024-02-28 10:48           ` folio_mmapped Quentin Perret
2024-02-28 11:11             ` folio_mmapped David Hildenbrand
2024-02-28 12:44               ` folio_mmapped Quentin Perret
2024-02-28 13:00                 ` folio_mmapped David Hildenbrand
2024-02-28 13:34                   ` folio_mmapped Quentin Perret
2024-02-28 18:43                     ` folio_mmapped Elliot Berman
2024-02-28 18:51                       ` Quentin Perret
2024-02-29 10:04                     ` folio_mmapped David Hildenbrand
2024-02-29 19:01                       ` folio_mmapped Fuad Tabba
2024-03-01  0:40                         ` folio_mmapped Elliot Berman
2024-03-01 11:16                           ` folio_mmapped David Hildenbrand
2024-03-04 12:53                             ` folio_mmapped Quentin Perret
2024-03-04 20:22                               ` folio_mmapped David Hildenbrand
2024-03-01 11:06                         ` folio_mmapped David Hildenbrand
2024-03-04 12:36                       ` folio_mmapped Quentin Perret
2024-03-04 19:04                         ` folio_mmapped Sean Christopherson
2024-03-04 20:17                           ` folio_mmapped David Hildenbrand
2024-03-04 21:43                             ` folio_mmapped Elliot Berman
2024-03-04 21:58                               ` folio_mmapped David Hildenbrand
2024-03-19  9:47                                 ` folio_mmapped Quentin Perret
2024-03-19  9:54                                   ` folio_mmapped David Hildenbrand
2024-03-18 17:06                             ` folio_mmapped Vishal Annapurve
2024-03-18 22:02                               ` folio_mmapped David Hildenbrand
2024-03-18 23:07                                 ` folio_mmapped Vishal Annapurve
2024-03-19  0:10                                   ` folio_mmapped Sean Christopherson
2024-03-19 10:26                                     ` folio_mmapped David Hildenbrand
2024-03-19 13:19                                       ` folio_mmapped David Hildenbrand
2024-03-19 14:31                                       ` folio_mmapped Will Deacon
2024-03-19 23:54                                         ` folio_mmapped Elliot Berman
2024-03-22 16:36                                           ` Will Deacon
2024-03-22 18:46                                             ` Elliot Berman
2024-03-27 19:31                                               ` Will Deacon
2024-03-22 17:52                                         ` folio_mmapped David Hildenbrand
2024-03-22 21:21                                           ` folio_mmapped David Hildenbrand
2024-03-26 22:04                                             ` folio_mmapped Elliot Berman
2024-03-27 17:50                                               ` folio_mmapped David Hildenbrand
2024-03-27 19:34                                           ` folio_mmapped Will Deacon
2024-03-28  9:06                                             ` folio_mmapped David Hildenbrand
2024-03-28 10:10                                               ` folio_mmapped Quentin Perret
2024-03-28 10:32                                                 ` folio_mmapped David Hildenbrand
2024-03-28 10:58                                                   ` Quentin Perret [this message]
2024-03-28 11:41                                                     ` folio_mmapped David Hildenbrand
2024-03-29 18:38                                                       ` folio_mmapped Vishal Annapurve
2024-04-04  0:15                                             ` folio_mmapped Sean Christopherson
2024-03-19 15:04                                       ` folio_mmapped Sean Christopherson
2024-03-22 17:16                                         ` folio_mmapped David Hildenbrand
2024-02-26  9:03   ` [RFC PATCH v1 00/26] KVM: Restricted mapping of guest_memfd at the host and pKVM/arm64 support Fuad Tabba
2024-02-23 12:00 ` Alexandru Elisei
2024-02-26  9:05   ` Fuad Tabba
2024-02-26  9:47 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-02-27  9:37   ` Fuad Tabba
2024-02-27 14:41     ` David Hildenbrand
2024-02-27 14:49       ` David Hildenbrand
2024-02-28  9:57       ` Fuad Tabba
2024-02-28 10:12         ` David Hildenbrand
2024-02-28 14:01           ` Quentin Perret
2024-02-29  9:51             ` David Hildenbrand

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