kvm.vger.kernel.org archive mirror
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Yan Zhao <yan.y.zhao@intel.com>
Cc: Rick P Edgecombe <rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com>,
	"pbonzini@redhat.com" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	 Yuan Yao <yuan.yao@intel.com>, Kai Huang <kai.huang@intel.com>,
	 "isaku.yamahata@gmail.com" <isaku.yamahata@gmail.com>,
	 "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	 "dmatlack@google.com" <dmatlack@google.com>,
	"nik.borisov@suse.com" <nik.borisov@suse.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 09/21] KVM: TDX: Retry seamcall when TDX_OPERAND_BUSY with operand SEPT
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2024 07:51:13 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZwVG4bQ4g5Tm2jrt@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZvPrqMj1BWrkkwqN@yzhao56-desk.sh.intel.com>

On Wed, Sep 25, 2024, Yan Zhao wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 14, 2024 at 05:27:32PM +0800, Yan Zhao wrote:
> > On Fri, Sep 13, 2024 at 10:23:00AM -0700, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > > On Fri, Sep 13, 2024, Yan Zhao wrote:
> > > > This is a lock status report of TDX module for current SEAMCALL retry issue
> > > > based on code in TDX module public repo https://github.com/intel/tdx-module.git
> > > > branch TDX_1.5.05.
> > > > 
> > > > TL;DR:
> > > > - tdh_mem_track() can contend with tdh_vp_enter().
> > > > - tdh_vp_enter() contends with tdh_mem*() when 0-stepping is suspected.
> > > 
> > > The zero-step logic seems to be the most problematic.  E.g. if KVM is trying to
> > > install a page on behalf of two vCPUs, and KVM resumes the guest if it encounters
> > > a FROZEN_SPTE when building the non-leaf SPTEs, then one of the vCPUs could
> > > trigger the zero-step mitigation if the vCPU that "wins" and gets delayed for
> > > whatever reason.
> > > 
> > > Since FROZEN_SPTE is essentially bit-spinlock with a reaaaaaly slow slow-path,
> > > what if instead of resuming the guest if a page fault hits FROZEN_SPTE, KVM retries
> > > the fault "locally", i.e. _without_ redoing tdh_vp_enter() to see if the vCPU still
> > > hits the fault?
> > > 
> > > For non-TDX, resuming the guest and letting the vCPU retry the instruction is
> > > desirable because in many cases, the winning task will install a valid mapping
> > > before KVM can re-run the vCPU, i.e. the fault will be fixed before the
> > > instruction is re-executed.  In the happy case, that provides optimal performance
> > > as KVM doesn't introduce any extra delay/latency.
> > > 
> > > But for TDX, the math is different as the cost of a re-hitting a fault is much,
> > > much higher, especially in light of the zero-step issues.
> > > 
> > > E.g. if the TDP MMU returns a unique error code for the frozen case, and
> > > kvm_mmu_page_fault() is modified to return the raw return code instead of '1',
> > > then the TDX EPT violation path can safely retry locally, similar to the do-while
> > > loop in kvm_tdp_map_page().
> > > 
> > > The only part I don't like about this idea is having two "retry" return values,
> > > which creates the potential for bugs due to checking one but not the other.
> > > 
> > > Hmm, that could be avoided by passing a bool pointer as an out-param to communicate
> > > to the TDX S-EPT fault handler that the SPTE is frozen.  I think I like that
> > > option better even though the out-param is a bit gross, because it makes it more
> > > obvious that the "frozen_spte" is a special case that doesn't need attention for
> > > most paths.
> > Good idea.
> > But could we extend it a bit more to allow TDX's EPT violation handler to also
> > retry directly when tdh_mem_sept_add()/tdh_mem_page_aug() returns BUSY?
> I'm asking this because merely avoiding invoking tdh_vp_enter() in vCPUs seeing
> FROZEN_SPTE might not be enough to prevent zero step mitigation.

The goal isn't to make it completely impossible for zero-step to fire, it's to
make it so that _if_ zero-step fires, KVM can report the error to userspace without
having to retry, because KVM _knows_ that advancing past the zero-step isn't
something KVM can solve.

 : I'm not worried about any performance hit with zero-step, I'm worried about KVM
 : not being able to differentiate between a KVM bug and guest interference.  The
 : goal with a local retry is to make it so that KVM _never_ triggers zero-step,
 : unless there is a bug somewhere.  At that point, if zero-step fires, KVM can
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 : report the error to userspace instead of trying to suppress guest activity, and
 : potentially from other KVM tasks too.

In other words, for the selftest you crafted, KVM reporting an error to userspace
due to zero-step would be working as intended.  

> E.g. in below selftest with a TD configured with pending_ve_disable=N,
> zero step mitigation can be triggered on a vCPU that is stuck in EPT violation
> vm exit for more than 6 times (due to that user space does not do memslot
> conversion correctly).
> 
> So, if vCPU A wins the chance to call tdh_mem_page_aug(), the SEAMCALL may
> contend with zero step mitigation code in tdh_vp_enter() in vCPU B stuck
> in EPT violation vm exits.

  reply	other threads:[~2024-10-08 14:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 139+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-09-04  3:07 [PATCH 00/21] TDX MMU Part 2 Rick Edgecombe
2024-09-04  3:07 ` [PATCH 01/21] KVM: x86/mmu: Implement memslot deletion for TDX Rick Edgecombe
2024-09-09 13:44   ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-09-09 21:06     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-09-04  3:07 ` [PATCH 02/21] KVM: x86/tdp_mmu: Add a helper function to walk down the TDP MMU Rick Edgecombe
2024-09-09 13:51   ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-09-04  3:07 ` [PATCH 03/21] KVM: x86/mmu: Do not enable page track for TD guest Rick Edgecombe
2024-09-09 13:53   ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-09-09 21:07     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-09-04  3:07 ` [PATCH 04/21] KVM: VMX: Split out guts of EPT violation to common/exposed function Rick Edgecombe
2024-09-09 13:57   ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-09-09 16:07   ` Sean Christopherson
2024-09-10  7:36     ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-09-04  3:07 ` [PATCH 05/21] KVM: VMX: Teach EPT violation helper about private mem Rick Edgecombe
2024-09-09 13:59   ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-09-11  8:52   ` Chao Gao
2024-09-11 16:29     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-09-12  0:39   ` Huang, Kai
2024-09-12 13:58     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-09-12 14:43       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-09-12 14:46         ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-09-12  1:19   ` Huang, Kai
2024-09-04  3:07 ` [PATCH 06/21] KVM: TDX: Add accessors VMX VMCS helpers Rick Edgecombe
2024-09-09 14:19   ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-09-09 21:29     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-09-10 10:48       ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-09-04  3:07 ` [PATCH 07/21] KVM: TDX: Add load_mmu_pgd method for TDX Rick Edgecombe
2024-09-11  2:48   ` Chao Gao
2024-09-11  2:49     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-09-04  3:07 ` [PATCH 08/21] KVM: TDX: Set gfn_direct_bits to shared bit Rick Edgecombe
2024-09-09 15:21   ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-09-04  3:07 ` [PATCH 09/21] KVM: TDX: Retry seamcall when TDX_OPERAND_BUSY with operand SEPT Rick Edgecombe
2024-09-06  1:41   ` Huang, Kai
2024-09-09 20:25     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-09-09 15:25   ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-09-09 20:22     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-09-09 21:11       ` Sean Christopherson
2024-09-09 21:23         ` Sean Christopherson
2024-09-09 22:34           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-09-09 23:58             ` Sean Christopherson
2024-09-10  0:50               ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-09-10  1:46                 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-09-11  1:17               ` Huang, Kai
2024-09-11  2:48                 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-09-11 22:55                   ` Huang, Kai
2024-09-10 13:15         ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-09-10 13:57           ` Sean Christopherson
2024-09-10 15:16             ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-09-10 15:57               ` Sean Christopherson
2024-09-10 16:28                 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-09-10 17:42                   ` Sean Christopherson
2024-09-13  8:36                     ` Yan Zhao
2024-09-13 17:23                       ` Sean Christopherson
2024-09-13 19:19                         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-09-13 22:18                           ` Sean Christopherson
2024-09-14  9:27                         ` Yan Zhao
2024-09-15  9:53                           ` Yan Zhao
2024-09-17  1:31                             ` Huang, Kai
2024-09-25 10:53                           ` Yan Zhao
2024-10-08 14:51                             ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2024-10-10  5:23                               ` Yan Zhao
2024-10-10 17:33                                 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-10-10 21:53                                   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-10-11  2:30                                     ` Yan Zhao
2024-10-14 10:54                                     ` Huang, Kai
2024-10-14 17:36                                       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-10-14 23:03                                         ` Huang, Kai
2024-10-15  1:24                                           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-10-11  2:06                                   ` Yan Zhao
2024-10-16 14:13                                   ` Yan Zhao
2024-09-17  2:11                         ` Huang, Kai
2024-09-13 19:19                       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-09-14 10:00                         ` Yan Zhao
2024-09-04  3:07 ` [PATCH 10/21] KVM: TDX: Require TDP MMU and mmio caching for TDX Rick Edgecombe
2024-09-09 15:26   ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-09-12  0:15   ` Huang, Kai
2024-09-04  3:07 ` [PATCH 11/21] KVM: x86/mmu: Add setter for shadow_mmio_value Rick Edgecombe
2024-09-09 15:33   ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-09-04  3:07 ` [PATCH 12/21] KVM: TDX: Set per-VM shadow_mmio_value to 0 Rick Edgecombe
2024-09-09 15:33   ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-09-04  3:07 ` [PATCH 13/21] KVM: TDX: Handle TLB tracking for TDX Rick Edgecombe
2024-09-10  8:16   ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-09-10 23:49     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-10-14  6:34     ` Yan Zhao
2024-09-11  6:25   ` Xu Yilun
2024-09-11 17:28     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-09-12  4:54       ` Yan Zhao
2024-09-12 14:44         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-09-12  7:47       ` Xu Yilun
2024-09-04  3:07 ` [PATCH 14/21] KVM: TDX: Implement hooks to propagate changes of TDP MMU mirror page table Rick Edgecombe
2024-09-06  2:10   ` Huang, Kai
2024-09-09 21:03     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-09-10  1:52       ` Yan Zhao
2024-09-10  9:33       ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-09-10 23:58         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-09-11  1:05           ` Yan Zhao
2024-10-30  3:03   ` Binbin Wu
2024-11-04  9:09     ` Yan Zhao
2024-09-04  3:07 ` [PATCH 15/21] KVM: TDX: Implement hook to get max mapping level of private pages Rick Edgecombe
2024-09-10 10:17   ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-09-04  3:07 ` [PATCH 16/21] KVM: TDX: Premap initial guest memory Rick Edgecombe
2024-09-10 10:24   ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-09-11  0:19     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-09-13 13:33       ` Adrian Hunter
2024-09-13 19:49         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-09-10 10:49   ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-09-11  0:30     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-09-11 10:39       ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-09-11 16:36         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-09-04  3:07 ` [PATCH 17/21] KVM: TDX: MTRR: implement get_mt_mask() for TDX Rick Edgecombe
2024-09-10 10:04   ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-09-10 14:05     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-09-04  3:07 ` [PATCH 18/21] KVM: x86/mmu: Export kvm_tdp_map_page() Rick Edgecombe
2024-09-10 10:02   ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-09-04  3:07 ` [PATCH 19/21] KVM: TDX: Add an ioctl to create initial guest memory Rick Edgecombe
2024-09-04  4:53   ` Yan Zhao
2024-09-04 14:01     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-09-06 16:30       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-09-09  1:29         ` Yan Zhao
2024-09-10 10:13         ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-09-11  0:11           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-09-04 13:56   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-09-10 10:16   ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-09-11  0:12     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-09-04  3:07 ` [PATCH 20/21] KVM: TDX: Finalize VM initialization Rick Edgecombe
2024-09-04 15:37   ` Adrian Hunter
2024-09-04 16:09     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-09-10 10:33     ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-09-10 11:15       ` Adrian Hunter
2024-09-10 11:28         ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-09-10 11:31         ` Adrian Hunter
2024-09-10 10:25   ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-09-10 11:54     ` Adrian Hunter
2024-09-04  3:07 ` [PATCH 21/21] KVM: TDX: Handle vCPU dissociation Rick Edgecombe
2024-09-09 15:41   ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-09-09 23:30     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-09-10 10:45   ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-09-11  0:17     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-11-04  9:45     ` Yan Zhao

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=ZwVG4bQ4g5Tm2jrt@google.com \
    --to=seanjc@google.com \
    --cc=dmatlack@google.com \
    --cc=isaku.yamahata@gmail.com \
    --cc=kai.huang@intel.com \
    --cc=kvm@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=nik.borisov@suse.com \
    --cc=pbonzini@redhat.com \
    --cc=rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com \
    --cc=yan.y.zhao@intel.com \
    --cc=yuan.yao@intel.com \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for NNTP newsgroup(s).