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From: Chao Gao <chao.gao@intel.com>
To: Xin Li <xin@zytor.com>
Cc: <kvm@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	<linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>, <seanjc@google.com>,
	<pbonzini@redhat.com>, <corbet@lwn.net>, <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	<mingo@redhat.com>, <bp@alien8.de>, <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	<x86@kernel.org>, <hpa@zytor.com>, <luto@kernel.org>,
	<peterz@infradead.org>, <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 25/27] KVM: nVMX: Add FRED VMCS fields
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2024 17:07:55 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Zx9Ua0dTQXwC9lzS@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f9bb0740-21ec-482d-92fb-7fed3fef7d36@zytor.com>

On Fri, Oct 25, 2024 at 12:25:45AM -0700, Xin Li wrote:
>On 10/24/2024 12:42 AM, Chao Gao wrote:
>> > @@ -7197,6 +7250,9 @@ static void nested_vmx_setup_basic(struct nested_vmx_msrs *msrs)
>> > 	msrs->basic |= VMX_BASIC_TRUE_CTLS;
>> > 	if (cpu_has_vmx_basic_inout())
>> > 		msrs->basic |= VMX_BASIC_INOUT;
>> > +
>> > +	if (cpu_has_vmx_fred())
>> > +		msrs->basic |= VMX_BASIC_NESTED_EXCEPTION;
>> 
>> why not advertising VMX_BASIC_NESTED_EXCEPTION if the CPU supports it? just like
>> VMX_BASIC_INOUT right above.
>
>Because VMX nested-exception support only works with FRED.
>
>We could pass host MSR_IA32_VMX_BASIC.VMX_BASIC_NESTED_EXCEPTION to
>nested, but it's meaningless w/o VMX FRED.

But it seems KVM cannot benefit from this attempt to avoid meaningless
configurations because on FRED-capable system, the userspace VMM can choose to
hide FRED and expose VMX nested exceptions alone. KVM needs to handle this case
anyway. I suggest not bothering with it.

>
>> 
>> 
>> > }
>> > 
>> > static void nested_vmx_setup_cr_fixed(struct nested_vmx_msrs *msrs)
>> > diff --git a/arch/x86/kvm/vmx/nested.h b/arch/x86/kvm/vmx/nested.h
>> > index 2c296b6abb8c..5272f617fcef 100644
>> > --- a/arch/x86/kvm/vmx/nested.h
>> > +++ b/arch/x86/kvm/vmx/nested.h
>> > @@ -251,6 +251,14 @@ static inline bool nested_cpu_has_encls_exit(struct vmcs12 *vmcs12)
>> > 	return nested_cpu_has2(vmcs12, SECONDARY_EXEC_ENCLS_EXITING);
>> > }
>> > 
>> > +static inline bool nested_cpu_has_fred(struct vmcs12 *vmcs12)
>> > +{
>> > +	return vmcs12->vm_entry_controls & VM_ENTRY_LOAD_IA32_FRED &&
>> > +	       vmcs12->vm_exit_controls & VM_EXIT_ACTIVATE_SECONDARY_CONTROLS &&
>> > +	       vmcs12->secondary_vm_exit_controls & SECONDARY_VM_EXIT_SAVE_IA32_FRED &&
>> > +	       vmcs12->secondary_vm_exit_controls & SECONDARY_VM_EXIT_LOAD_IA32_FRED;
>> 
>> Is it a requirement in the SDM that the VMM should enable all FRED controls or
>> none? If not, the VMM is allowed to enable only one or two of them. This means
>> KVM would need to emulate FRED controls for the L1 VMM as three separate
>> features.
>
>The SDM doesn't say that.  But FRED states are used during and
>immediately after VM entry and exit, I don't see a good reason for a VMM
>to enable only one or two of the 3 save/load configs.
>
>Say if VM_ENTRY_LOAD_IA32_FRED is not set, it means a VMM needs to
>switch to guest FRED states before it does a VM entry, which is
>absolutely a big mess.

If the VMM doesn't enable FRED, it's fine to load guest FRED states before VM
entry, right?

The key is to emulate hardware behavior accurately without making assumptions
about guests. If some combinations of controls cannot be emulated properly, KVM
should report internal errors at some point.

>
>TBH I'm not sure this is the question you have in mind.

  reply	other threads:[~2024-10-28  9:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-10-01  5:00 [PATCH v3 00/27] Enable FRED with KVM VMX Xin Li (Intel)
2024-10-01  5:00 ` [PATCH v3 01/27] KVM: x86: Use a dedicated flow for queueing re-injected exceptions Xin Li (Intel)
2024-10-01  5:00 ` [PATCH v3 02/27] KVM: VMX: Don't modify guest XFD_ERR if CR0.TS=1 Xin Li (Intel)
2024-10-01  5:00 ` [PATCH v3 03/27] KVM: VMX: Add support for the secondary VM exit controls Xin Li (Intel)
2024-10-21  8:28   ` Chao Gao
2024-10-21 17:03     ` Xin Li
2024-10-22  2:47       ` Chao Gao
2024-10-22 16:30         ` Xin Li
2025-02-25 17:28           ` Sean Christopherson
2024-10-01  5:00 ` [PATCH v3 04/27] KVM: VMX: Initialize FRED VM entry/exit controls in vmcs_config Xin Li (Intel)
2024-10-01  5:00 ` [PATCH v3 05/27] KVM: VMX: Disable FRED if FRED consistency checks fail Xin Li (Intel)
2024-10-22  8:48   ` Chao Gao
2024-10-22 16:21     ` Xin Li
2024-11-26 15:32   ` Borislav Petkov
2024-11-26 18:53     ` Xin Li
2024-11-26 19:04       ` Borislav Petkov
2024-10-01  5:00 ` [PATCH v3 06/27] x86/cea: Export per CPU variable cea_exception_stacks Xin Li (Intel)
2024-10-01 16:12   ` Dave Hansen
2024-10-01 17:51     ` Xin Li
2024-10-01 18:18       ` Dave Hansen
2024-10-01  5:00 ` [PATCH v3 07/27] KVM: VMX: Initialize VMCS FRED fields Xin Li (Intel)
2024-10-22  9:06   ` Chao Gao
2024-10-22 16:18     ` Xin Li
2024-10-01  5:00 ` [PATCH v3 08/27] KVM: x86: Use KVM-governed feature framework to track "FRED enabled" Xin Li (Intel)
2024-10-01  5:00 ` [PATCH v3 09/27] KVM: VMX: Do not use MAX_POSSIBLE_PASSTHROUGH_MSRS in array definition Xin Li (Intel)
2024-11-26 18:02   ` Borislav Petkov
2024-11-26 19:22     ` Xin Li
2024-11-26 20:06       ` Borislav Petkov
2024-11-27  6:46         ` Xin Li
2024-11-27  6:55           ` Borislav Petkov
2024-11-27  7:02             ` Xin Li
2024-11-27  7:10               ` Borislav Petkov
2024-11-27  7:32                 ` Xin Li
2024-11-27  7:58                   ` Borislav Petkov
2024-10-01  5:00 ` [PATCH v3 10/27] KVM: VMX: Set FRED MSR interception Xin Li (Intel)
2024-11-13 11:31   ` Chao Gao
2024-10-01  5:00 ` [PATCH v3 11/27] KVM: VMX: Save/restore guest FRED RSP0 Xin Li (Intel)
2024-10-01  5:00 ` [PATCH v3 12/27] KVM: VMX: Add support for FRED context save/restore Xin Li (Intel)
2024-10-01  5:00 ` [PATCH v3 13/27] KVM: x86: Add a helper to detect if FRED is enabled for a vCPU Xin Li (Intel)
2024-10-01  5:00 ` [PATCH v3 14/27] KVM: VMX: Pass XFD_ERR as pseudo-payload when injecting #NM Xin Li (Intel)
2024-10-01  5:00 ` [PATCH v3 15/27] KVM: VMX: Virtualize FRED event_data Xin Li (Intel)
2024-10-01  5:00 ` [PATCH v3 16/27] KVM: VMX: Virtualize FRED nested exception tracking Xin Li (Intel)
2024-10-24  6:24   ` Chao Gao
2024-10-25  8:04     ` Xin Li
2024-10-28  6:33       ` Chao Gao
2024-12-05  7:16         ` Xin Li
2024-10-01  5:01 ` [PATCH v3 17/27] KVM: x86: Mark CR4.FRED as not reserved when guest can use FRED Xin Li (Intel)
2024-10-24  7:18   ` Chao Gao
2024-12-12 18:48     ` Xin Li
2024-12-12 19:05       ` Sean Christopherson
2024-12-13 18:43         ` Xin Li
2024-10-01  5:01 ` [PATCH v3 18/27] KVM: VMX: Dump FRED context in dump_vmcs() Xin Li (Intel)
2024-10-24  7:23   ` Chao Gao
2024-10-24 16:50     ` Xin Li
2024-10-01  5:01 ` [PATCH v3 19/27] KVM: x86: Allow FRED/LKGS to be advertised to guests Xin Li (Intel)
2024-10-01  5:01 ` [PATCH v3 20/27] KVM: x86: Allow WRMSRNS " Xin Li (Intel)
2025-02-25 15:41   ` Sean Christopherson
2024-10-01  5:01 ` [PATCH v3 21/27] KVM: VMX: Invoke vmx_set_cpu_caps() before nested setup Xin Li (Intel)
2024-10-24  7:49   ` Chao Gao
2024-10-25  7:34     ` Xin Li
2025-02-25 16:01       ` Sean Christopherson
2024-10-01  5:01 ` [PATCH v3 22/27] KVM: nVMX: Add support for the secondary VM exit controls Xin Li (Intel)
2024-10-01  5:01 ` [PATCH v3 23/27] KVM: nVMX: Add a prerequisite to SHADOW_FIELD_R[OW] macros Xin Li (Intel)
2024-10-01  5:01 ` [PATCH v3 24/27] KVM: nVMX: Add a prerequisite to existence of VMCS fields Xin Li (Intel)
2025-02-25 16:22   ` Sean Christopherson
2025-02-25 16:37     ` Xin Li
2025-02-25 19:32       ` Sean Christopherson
2024-10-01  5:01 ` [PATCH v3 25/27] KVM: nVMX: Add FRED " Xin Li (Intel)
2024-10-24  7:42   ` Chao Gao
2024-10-25  7:25     ` Xin Li
2024-10-28  9:07       ` Chao Gao [this message]
2024-10-28 18:27         ` Sean Christopherson
2024-10-29 17:40           ` Xin Li
2024-10-01  5:01 ` [PATCH v3 26/27] KVM: nVMX: Add VMCS FRED states checking Xin Li (Intel)
2024-10-01  5:01 ` [PATCH v3 27/27] KVM: nVMX: Allow VMX FRED controls Xin Li (Intel)
2025-02-19  0:26 ` [PATCH v3 00/27] Enable FRED with KVM VMX Xin Li
2025-02-25 15:24   ` Sean Christopherson
2025-02-25 17:04     ` Xin Li
2025-02-25 17:35       ` Sean Christopherson
2025-02-25 18:48         ` Xin Li
2025-02-28 17:06 ` Sean Christopherson

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