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Wysocki" , Len Brown , Andy Lutomirski , Viresh Kumar , Jean Delvare , Guenter Roeck , Zhang Rui , Andrew Cooper , David Laight , Dapeng Mi , linux-perf-users@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org, linux-pm@vger.kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org, Xin Li Message-ID: Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 13/15] x86/cpu/intel: Bound the non-architectural constant_tsc model checks References: <20250219184133.816753-1-sohil.mehta@intel.com> <20250219184133.816753-14-sohil.mehta@intel.com> <6f05a6849fb7b22db35216dcf12bf537f8a43a92.camel@infradead.org> <968a179f-3da7-4c69-b798-357ea8d759eb@intel.com> <5f5f1230-f373-469c-b0d9-abc80199886e@intel.com> <03ac8bac-c8d1-4a3b-a07f-2bbf04e726b6@intel.com> In-Reply-To: <03ac8bac-c8d1-4a3b-a07f-2bbf04e726b6@intel.com> Autocrypt-Gossip: addr=jgross@suse.com; keydata= xsBNBFOMcBYBCACgGjqjoGvbEouQZw/ToiBg9W98AlM2QHV+iNHsEs7kxWhKMjrioyspZKOB ycWxw3ie3j9uvg9EOB3aN4xiTv4qbnGiTr3oJhkB1gsb6ToJQZ8uxGq2kaV2KL9650I1SJve dYm8Of8Zd621lSmoKOwlNClALZNew72NjJLEzTalU1OdT7/i1TXkH09XSSI8mEQ/ouNcMvIJ NwQpd369y9bfIhWUiVXEK7MlRgUG6MvIj6Y3Am/BBLUVbDa4+gmzDC9ezlZkTZG2t14zWPvx XP3FAp2pkW0xqG7/377qptDmrk42GlSKN4z76ELnLxussxc7I2hx18NUcbP8+uty4bMxABEB AAHNH0p1ZXJnZW4gR3Jvc3MgPGpncm9zc0BzdXNlLmNvbT7CwHkEEwECACMFAlOMcK8CGwMH CwkIBwMCAQYVCAIJCgsEFgIDAQIeAQIXgAAKCRCw3p3WKL8TL8eZB/9G0juS/kDY9LhEXseh mE9U+iA1VsLhgDqVbsOtZ/S14LRFHczNd/Lqkn7souCSoyWsBs3/wO+OjPvxf7m+Ef+sMtr0 G5lCWEWa9wa0IXx5HRPW/ScL+e4AVUbL7rurYMfwCzco+7TfjhMEOkC+va5gzi1KrErgNRHH kg3PhlnRY0Udyqx++UYkAsN4TQuEhNN32MvN0Np3WlBJOgKcuXpIElmMM5f1BBzJSKBkW0Jc Wy3h2Wy912vHKpPV/Xv7ZwVJ27v7KcuZcErtptDevAljxJtE7aJG6WiBzm+v9EswyWxwMCIO RoVBYuiocc51872tRGywc03xaQydB+9R7BHPzsBNBFOMcBYBCADLMfoA44MwGOB9YT1V4KCy vAfd7E0BTfaAurbG+Olacciz3yd09QOmejFZC6AnoykydyvTFLAWYcSCdISMr88COmmCbJzn sHAogjexXiif6ANUUlHpjxlHCCcELmZUzomNDnEOTxZFeWMTFF9Rf2k2F0Tl4E5kmsNGgtSa aMO0rNZoOEiD/7UfPP3dfh8JCQ1VtUUsQtT1sxos8Eb/HmriJhnaTZ7Hp3jtgTVkV0ybpgFg w6WMaRkrBh17mV0z2ajjmabB7SJxcouSkR0hcpNl4oM74d2/VqoW4BxxxOD1FcNCObCELfIS auZx+XT6s+CE7Qi/c44ibBMR7hyjdzWbABEBAAHCwF8EGAECAAkFAlOMcBYCGwwACgkQsN6d 1ii/Ey9D+Af/WFr3q+bg/8v5tCknCtn92d5lyYTBNt7xgWzDZX8G6/pngzKyWfedArllp0Pn fgIXtMNV+3t8Li1Tg843EXkP7+2+CQ98MB8XvvPLYAfW8nNDV85TyVgWlldNcgdv7nn1Sq8g HwB2BHdIAkYce3hEoDQXt/mKlgEGsLpzJcnLKimtPXQQy9TxUaLBe9PInPd+Ohix0XOlY+Uk QFEx50Ki3rSDl2Zt2tnkNYKUCvTJq7jvOlaPd6d/W0tZqpyy7KVay+K4aMobDsodB3dvEAs6 ScCnh03dDAFgIq5nsB11j3KPKdVoPlfucX2c7kGNH+LUMbzqV6beIENfNexkOfxHfw== --------------4aUnYrlTs60uvM0eqrIjZiJR Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------Q0RD0CwTExGqdyoNDz8Egccl" --------------Q0RD0CwTExGqdyoNDz8Egccl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 8/21/25 21:46, Xiaoyao Li wrote: > On 8/22/2025 3:43 AM, Sohil Mehta wrote: >> On 8/21/2025 12:34 PM, Sohil Mehta wrote: >>> On 8/21/2025 6:15 AM, David Woodhouse wrote: >>> >>>> Hm. My test host is INTEL_HASWELL_X (0x63f). For reasons which are >>>> unclear to me, QEMU doesn't set bit 8 of 0x80000007 EDX unless I >>>> explicitly append ',+invtsc' to the existing '-cpu host' on its comm= and >>>> line. So now my guest doesn't think it has X86_FEATURE_CONSTANT_TSC.= >>>> >>> >>> Haswell should have X86_FEATURE_CONSTANT_TSC, so I would have expecte= d >>> the guest bit to be set. Until now, X86_FEATURE_CONSTANT_TSC was set >>> based on the Family-model instead of the CPUID enumeration which may >>> have hid the issue. >>> >> >> Correction: >> s/instead/as well as >> >>> From my initial look at the QEMU implementation, this seems intentio= nal. >>> >>> QEMU considers Invariant TSC as un-migratable which prevents it from >>> being exposed to migratable guests (default). >>> target/i386/cpu.c: >>> [FEAT_8000_0007_EDX] >>> .unmigratable_flags =3D CPUID_APM_INVTSC, >>> >>> Can you please try '-cpu host,migratable=3Doff'? >> >> This is mainly to verify. If confirmed, I am not sure what the long te= rm >> solution should be. >=20 > yeah. It's the intentional behavior of QEMU. >=20 > Invariant TSC is ummigratable unless users explicitly configures the TS= C=20 > frequency, e.g., "-cpu host,tsc-frequency=3Dxxx". Because the TSC=20 > frequency is by default the host's frequency if no "tsc-frequency"=20 > specified, and it will change when the VM is migrated to a host with a = > different TSC frequency. >=20 > It's the specific behavior/rule of QEMU. We just need to keep it in=20 > mind. 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