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From: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
To: Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>
Cc: "Thomas Huth" <thuth@redhat.com>,
	"Zhao Liu" <zhao1.liu@intel.com>,
	"Xiaoyao Li" <xiaoyao.li@intel.com>,
	"Philippe Mathieu-Daudé" <philmd@linaro.org>,
	"Markus Armbruster" <armbru@redhat.com>,
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	"Richard Henderson" <richard.henderson@linaro.org>,
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	"Ani Sinha" <anisinha@redhat.com>,
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	"Fabiano Rosas" <farosas@suse.de>,
	"Liu Zhiwei" <zhiwei_liu@linux.alibaba.com>,
	"Clément Mathieu--Drif" <clement.mathieu--drif@eviden.com>,
	qemu-arm@nongnu.org,
	"Marc-André Lureau" <marcandre.lureau@redhat.com>,
	"Huacai Chen" <chenhuacai@kernel.org>,
	"Jason Wang" <jasowang@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: How to mark internal properties (was: Re: [PATCH v4 12/27] target/i386/cpu: Remove CPUX86State::enable_cpuid_0xb field)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2025 10:06:58 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aCG6MuDLrQpoTqpg@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFEAcA-kuHvxjuV_cMh-Px3C-k2Gd51jFqhwndO52vm++M_jAA@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 12, 2025 at 09:46:30AM +0100, Peter Maydell wrote:
> On Fri, 9 May 2025 at 11:04, Thomas Huth <thuth@redhat.com> wrote:
> > Thanks for your clarifications, Zhao! But I think this shows again the
> > problem that we have hit a couple of times in the past already: Properties
> > are currently used for both, config knobs for the users and internal
> > switches for configuration of the machine. We lack a proper way to say "this
> > property is usable for the user" and "this property is meant for internal
> > configuration only".
> >
> > I wonder whether we could maybe come up with a naming scheme to better
> > distinguish the two sets, e.g. by using a prefix similar to the "x-" prefix
> > for experimental properties? We could e.g. say that all properties starting
> > with a "q-" are meant for QEMU-internal configuration only or something
> > similar (and maybe even hide those from the default help output when running
> > "-device xyz,help" ?)? Anybody any opinions or better ideas on this?
> 
> I think a q-prefix is potentially a bit clunky unless we also have
> infrastructure to say eg DEFINE_INTERNAL_PROP_BOOL("foo", ...)
> and have it auto-add the prefix, and to have the C APIs for
> setting properties search for both "foo" and "q-foo" so you
> don't have to write qdev_prop_set_bit(dev, "q-foo", ...).

I think it is also not obvious enough that a 'q-' prefix means private.

Perhaps borrow from the C world and declare that a leading underscore
indicates a private property. People are more likely to understand and
remember that, than 'q-'.

With regards,
Daniel
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  reply	other threads:[~2025-05-12  9:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 108+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-05-08 13:35 [PATCH v4 00/27] hw/i386/pc: Remove deprecated 2.6 and 2.7 PC machines Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-05-08 13:35 ` [PATCH v4 01/27] hw/i386/pc: Remove deprecated pc-q35-2.6 and pc-i440fx-2.6 machines Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-05-09 15:23   ` Igor Mammedov
2025-06-02  6:13     ` Thomas Huth
2025-06-02  8:53       ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-06-02 10:26         ` Igor Mammedov
2025-05-08 13:35 ` [PATCH v4 02/27] hw/i386/pc: Remove PCMachineClass::legacy_cpu_hotplug field Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-05-09 15:18   ` Igor Mammedov
2025-05-08 13:35 ` [PATCH v4 03/27] hw/nvram/fw_cfg: Rename fw_cfg_init_mem() with '_nodma' suffix Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-05-09  2:49   ` Zhao Liu
2025-05-09 15:33   ` Igor Mammedov
2025-05-15  8:04   ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-05-08 13:35 ` [PATCH v4 04/27] hw/mips/loongson3_virt: Prefer using fw_cfg_init_mem_nodma() Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-05-09  2:49   ` Zhao Liu
2025-05-09 15:35   ` Igor Mammedov
2025-05-15  8:05   ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-05-08 13:35 ` [PATCH v4 05/27] hw/nvram/fw_cfg: Factor fw_cfg_init_mem_internal() out Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-05-09  2:50   ` Zhao Liu
2025-05-09 15:38   ` Igor Mammedov
2025-05-15  8:08   ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-05-08 13:35 ` [PATCH v4 06/27] hw/nvram/fw_cfg: Rename fw_cfg_init_mem_wide() -> fw_cfg_init_mem_dma() Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-05-09  2:52   ` Zhao Liu
2025-05-09  6:51   ` Zhao Liu
2025-05-09 15:39     ` Igor Mammedov
2025-05-15  8:17   ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-05-08 13:35 ` [PATCH v4 07/27] hw/i386/x86: Remove X86MachineClass::fwcfg_dma_enabled field Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-05-09  3:23   ` Zhao Liu
2025-05-09 15:41   ` Igor Mammedov
2025-05-09 15:44     ` Igor Mammedov
2025-05-08 13:35 ` [PATCH v4 08/27] hw/i386/pc: Remove multiboot.bin Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-05-09  6:11   ` Zhao Liu
2025-05-08 13:35 ` [PATCH v4 09/27] hw/nvram/fw_cfg: Remove fw_cfg_io_properties::dma_enabled Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-05-09  6:37   ` Zhao Liu
2025-05-09 16:00   ` Igor Mammedov
2025-05-08 13:35 ` [PATCH v4 10/27] hw/i386/pc: Remove linuxboot.bin Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-05-09  6:53   ` Zhao Liu
2025-05-09 16:04   ` Igor Mammedov
2025-05-08 13:35 ` [PATCH v4 11/27] hw/i386/pc: Remove pc_compat_2_6[] array Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-05-09  6:54   ` Zhao Liu
2025-05-12  8:19   ` Igor Mammedov
2025-05-08 13:35 ` [PATCH v4 12/27] target/i386/cpu: Remove CPUX86State::enable_cpuid_0xb field Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-05-09  6:49   ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-05-09  7:32     ` Zhao Liu
2025-05-09 10:04       ` How to mark internal properties (was: Re: [PATCH v4 12/27] target/i386/cpu: Remove CPUX86State::enable_cpuid_0xb field) Thomas Huth
2025-05-12  2:45         ` Zhao Liu
2025-05-12  6:34         ` How to mark internal properties Markus Armbruster
2025-05-12  8:46         ` How to mark internal properties (was: Re: [PATCH v4 12/27] target/i386/cpu: Remove CPUX86State::enable_cpuid_0xb field) Peter Maydell
2025-05-12  9:06           ` Daniel P. Berrangé [this message]
2025-05-12 10:54             ` How to mark internal properties Markus Armbruster
2025-05-12 13:33               ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-05-12 14:41                 ` BALATON Zoltan
2025-05-13  8:16                   ` Thomas Huth
2025-05-12 14:48               ` Mark Cave-Ayland
2025-05-13  8:18                 ` Markus Armbruster
2025-05-13  9:26                   ` BALATON Zoltan
2025-05-13  9:32                     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-05-13 10:38                       ` Markus Armbruster
2025-05-13 11:01                     ` Markus Armbruster
2025-05-26  8:58                     ` Markus Armbruster
2025-05-12 15:22               ` Igor Mammedov
2025-05-13  8:08                 ` Markus Armbruster
2025-05-12 15:00       ` [PATCH v4 12/27] target/i386/cpu: Remove CPUX86State::enable_cpuid_0xb field Igor Mammedov
2025-05-08 13:35 ` [PATCH v4 13/27] target/i386/cpu: Remove CPUX86State::fill_mtrr_mask field Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-05-09  9:30   ` Zhao Liu
2025-05-12 15:24   ` Igor Mammedov
2025-05-08 13:35 ` [PATCH v4 14/27] hw/intc/apic: Remove APICCommonState::legacy_instance_id field Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-05-09  9:30   ` Zhao Liu
2025-05-13  8:34   ` Igor Mammedov
2025-05-08 13:35 ` [PATCH v4 15/27] hw/core/machine: Remove hw_compat_2_6[] array Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-05-09  9:31   ` Zhao Liu
2025-05-13  8:36   ` Igor Mammedov
2025-05-08 13:35 ` [PATCH v4 16/27] hw/virtio/virtio-mmio: Remove VirtIOMMIOProxy::format_transport_address field Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-05-09  9:33   ` Zhao Liu
2025-05-08 13:35 ` [PATCH v4 17/27] hw/i386/pc: Remove deprecated pc-q35-2.7 and pc-i440fx-2.7 machines Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-05-09  9:33   ` Zhao Liu
2025-05-13  8:53   ` Igor Mammedov
2025-05-08 13:35 ` [PATCH v4 18/27] hw/i386/pc: Remove pc_compat_2_7[] array Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-05-09  9:35   ` Zhao Liu
2025-05-08 13:35 ` [PATCH v4 19/27] target/i386/cpu: Remove CPUX86State::full_cpuid_auto_level field Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-05-09  9:37   ` Zhao Liu
2025-05-13 11:02   ` Igor Mammedov
2025-05-08 13:35 ` [PATCH v4 20/27] target/i386/cpu: Remove CPUX86State::enable_l3_cache field Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-05-09  9:11   ` Zhao Liu
2025-05-13 11:14     ` Igor Mammedov
2025-05-08 13:35 ` [PATCH v4 21/27] hw/audio/pcspk: Remove PCSpkState::migrate field Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-05-09  9:38   ` Zhao Liu
2025-05-13  9:02   ` Igor Mammedov
2025-05-08 13:35 ` [PATCH v4 22/27] hw/core/machine: Remove hw_compat_2_7[] array Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-05-09  9:38   ` Zhao Liu
2025-05-08 13:35 ` [PATCH v4 23/27] hw/i386/intel_iommu: Remove IntelIOMMUState::buggy_eim field Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-05-09  9:41   ` Zhao Liu
2025-05-13  9:16   ` Igor Mammedov
2025-05-08 13:35 ` [PATCH v4 24/27] hw/intc/ioapic: Remove IOAPICCommonState::version field Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-05-09 10:32   ` Zhao Liu
2025-05-13 10:28   ` Igor Mammedov
2025-05-08 13:35 ` [PATCH v4 25/27] hw/virtio/virtio-pci: Remove VirtIOPCIProxy::ignore_backend_features field Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-05-09  9:43   ` Zhao Liu
2025-05-13 10:30   ` Igor Mammedov
2025-05-08 13:35 ` [PATCH v4 26/27] hw/char/virtio-serial: Do not expose the 'emergency-write' property Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-05-09  9:13   ` Mark Cave-Ayland
2025-05-09  9:46   ` Zhao Liu
2025-05-08 13:35 ` [PATCH v4 27/27] hw/virtio/virtio-pci: Remove VIRTIO_PCI_FLAG_PAGE_PER_VQ definition Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-05-09 10:19   ` Zhao Liu
2025-05-13 10:48   ` Igor Mammedov
2025-05-13 11:23 ` [PATCH v4 00/27] hw/i386/pc: Remove deprecated 2.6 and 2.7 PC machines Igor Mammedov
2025-05-30 11:35   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-05-30 12:08     ` Peter Krempa
2025-06-17  6:54       ` Zhao Liu

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