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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Oliver Upton <oliver.upton@linux.dev>
Cc: James Houghton <jthoughton@google.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	 Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>, Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>,
	Yan Zhao <yan.y.zhao@intel.com>,
	 Nikita Kalyazin <kalyazin@amazon.com>,
	Anish Moorthy <amoorthy@google.com>,
	 Peter Gonda <pgonda@google.com>, Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>,
	 David Matlack <dmatlack@google.com>,
	wei.w.wang@intel.com, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	 linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	 linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, kvmarm@lists.linux.dev
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 05/13] KVM: x86/mmu: Add support for KVM_MEM_USERFAULT
Date: Wed, 28 May 2025 14:22:29 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aDd-lbrJAX62UQLn@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aDdwXrbAHmVqu0kA@linux.dev>

On Wed, May 28, 2025, Oliver Upton wrote:
> On Tue, May 06, 2025 at 05:05:50PM -0700, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > > +	if ((old_flags ^ new_flags) & KVM_MEM_USERFAULT &&
> > > +	    (change == KVM_MR_FLAGS_ONLY)) {
> > > +		if (old_flags & KVM_MEM_USERFAULT)
> > > +			kvm_mmu_recover_huge_pages(kvm, new);
> > > +		else
> > > +			kvm_arch_flush_shadow_memslot(kvm, old);
> > 
> > The call to kvm_arch_flush_shadow_memslot() should definitely go in common code.
> > The fancy recovery logic is arch specific, but blasting the memslot when userfault
> > is toggled on is not.
> 
> Not like anything in KVM is consistent but sprinkling translation
> changes / invalidations between arch and generic code feels
> error-prone.

Eh, leaving critical operations to arch code isn't exactly error free either :-)

> Especially if there isn't clear ownership of a particular flag, e.g. 0 -> 1
> transitions happen in generic code and 1 -> 0 happens in arch code.

The difference I see is that removing access to the memslot on 0=>1 is mandatory,
whereas any action on 1=>0 is not.  So IMO it's not arbitrary sprinkling of
invalidations, it's deliberately putting the common, mandatory logic in generic
code, while leaving optional performance tweaks to arch code.

> Even in the case of KVM_MEM_USERFAULT, an architecture could potentially
> preserve the stage-2 translations but reap access permissions without
> modifying page tables / TLBs.

Yes, but that wouldn't be strictly unique to KVM_MEM_USERFAULT.

E.g. for NUMA balancing faults (or rather, the PROT_NONE conversions), KVM could
handle the mmu_notifier invalidations by removing access while keeping the PTEs,
so that faulting the memory back would be a lighter weight operation.  Ditto for
reacting to other protection changes that come through mmu_notifiers.

If we want to go down that general path, my preference would be to put the control
logic in generic code, and then call dedicated arch APIs for removing protections.

> I'm happy with arch interfaces that clearly express intent (make this
> memslot inaccessible), then the architecture can make an informed
> decision about how to best achieve that. Otherwise we're always going to
> use the largest possible hammer potentially overinvalidate.

Yeah, definitely no argument there given x86's history in this area.  Though if
we want to tackle that problem straightaway, I think I'd vote to add the
aforementioned dedicated APIs for removing protections, with a generic default
implementation that simply invokes kvm_arch_flush_shadow_memslot().


  reply	other threads:[~2025-05-28 21:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-01-09 20:49 [PATCH v2 00/13] KVM: Introduce KVM Userfault James Houghton
2025-01-09 20:49 ` [PATCH v2 01/13] KVM: Add KVM_MEM_USERFAULT memslot flag and bitmap James Houghton
2025-05-07  0:01   ` Sean Christopherson
2025-05-28 15:21     ` James Houghton
2025-01-09 20:49 ` [PATCH v2 02/13] KVM: Add KVM_MEMORY_EXIT_FLAG_USERFAULT James Houghton
2025-01-09 20:49 ` [PATCH v2 03/13] KVM: Allow late setting of KVM_MEM_USERFAULT on guest_memfd memslot James Houghton
2025-05-07  0:03   ` Sean Christopherson
2025-01-09 20:49 ` [PATCH v2 04/13] KVM: Advertise KVM_CAP_USERFAULT in KVM_CHECK_EXTENSION James Houghton
2025-01-09 20:49 ` [PATCH v2 05/13] KVM: x86/mmu: Add support for KVM_MEM_USERFAULT James Houghton
2025-05-07  0:05   ` Sean Christopherson
2025-05-28 20:21     ` Oliver Upton
2025-05-28 21:22       ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2025-05-29 14:56         ` Sean Christopherson
2025-05-29 15:37           ` James Houghton
2025-01-09 20:49 ` [PATCH v2 06/13] KVM: arm64: " James Houghton
2025-05-07  0:06   ` Sean Christopherson
2025-05-28 15:09     ` James Houghton
2025-05-28 15:25       ` James Houghton
2025-05-28 17:30         ` Sean Christopherson
2025-05-28 20:17           ` James Houghton
2025-05-28 23:25             ` Sean Christopherson
2025-06-09 23:04               ` James Houghton
2025-01-09 20:49 ` [PATCH v2 07/13] KVM: selftests: Fix vm_mem_region_set_flags docstring James Houghton
2025-01-09 20:49 ` [PATCH v2 08/13] KVM: selftests: Fix prefault_mem logic James Houghton
2025-01-09 20:49 ` [PATCH v2 09/13] KVM: selftests: Add va_start/end into uffd_desc James Houghton
2025-01-09 20:49 ` [PATCH v2 10/13] KVM: selftests: Add KVM Userfault mode to demand_paging_test James Houghton
2025-01-09 20:49 ` [PATCH v2 11/13] KVM: selftests: Inform set_memory_region_test of KVM_MEM_USERFAULT James Houghton
2025-01-09 20:49 ` [PATCH v2 12/13] KVM: selftests: Add KVM_MEM_USERFAULT + guest_memfd toggle tests James Houghton
2025-01-09 20:49 ` [PATCH v2 13/13] KVM: Documentation: Add KVM_CAP_USERFAULT and KVM_MEM_USERFAULT details James Houghton
2025-05-06 23:48 ` [PATCH v2 00/13] KVM: Introduce KVM Userfault Sean Christopherson
2025-05-07  0:13 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-05-28 15:48   ` James Houghton
2025-05-29 15:28     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-05-29 16:17       ` James Houghton

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