From: Yury Norov <yury.norov@gmail.com>
To: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
Cc: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
x86@kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Zheyun Shen <szy0127@sjtu.edu.cn>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] KVM: SVM: drop useless cpumask_test_cpu() in pre_sev_run()
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2025 20:42:01 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aJ0w2dKYwNQNllQb@yury> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aJppAp5tK7kPv8uj@google.com>
On Mon, Aug 11, 2025 at 03:04:50PM -0700, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 11, 2025, Yury Norov wrote:
> > On Mon, Aug 11, 2025 at 01:45:46PM -0700, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > > On Mon, Aug 11, 2025, Yury Norov wrote:
> > > > Testing cpumask for a CPU to be cleared just before setting the exact
> > > > same CPU is useless because the end result is always the same: CPU is
> > > > set.
> > >
> > > No, it is not useless. Blindly writing to the variable will unnecessarily bounce
> > > the cacheline, and this is a hot path.
> >
> > How hot is that path?
>
> Very, it gets hit on every VM-Exit => VM-Entry. For context, putting a single
> printk anywhere in KVM's exit=>entry path can completely prevent forward progress
> in the guest (for some workloads/patterns).
>
> > How bad the cache contention is?
>
> I would expect it to be "fatally" bad for some workloads and setups. Not literally
> fatal, but bad enough that it would require an urgent fix.
>
> > Is there any evidence that conditional cpumask_set_cpu() worth the effort?
>
> I don't have evidence for this specific code flow, but there is plenty of evidence
> that shows that generating atomic accesses, especially across sockets, can have a
> significant negative impact on performance.
>
> I didn't ask for performance numbers for optimizing setting the mask because (a)
> I know the VM-Entry path can be extremely hot, (b) I know that dueling atomics
> can be hugely problematic, and (c) I don't see the separate test + set logic as
> being at all notable in terms of effort.
>
> > The original patch doesn't discuss that at all, and without any comment the
> > code looks just buggy.
>
> FWIW, there was discussion in a previous version of the series, but no hard
> numbers on the perf impact.
>
> https://lore.kernel.org/all/Z75se_OZQvaeQE-4@google.com
OK, I see. So, as I said I don't insist on moving this patch. Let's
drop it if you think that cache contention is critical.
I probably need to think in the opposite direction - if some code
pieces trash caches by concurrent accessing the whole cache line just
to set a single bit, and people try to minimize that by using
conditional set/clear_bit(), we need to make it as effective as we
can, and a part of the API.
Thanks for the discussion, Sean!
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-08-14 0:42 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-08-11 20:30 [PATCH 0/2] KVM: SVM: fixes for SEV Yury Norov
2025-08-11 20:30 ` [PATCH 1/2] KVM: SVM: don't check have_run_cpus in sev_writeback_caches() Yury Norov
2025-08-11 20:50 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-08-11 21:05 ` Yury Norov
2025-08-11 21:21 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-08-11 21:31 ` Yury Norov
2025-08-11 20:30 ` [PATCH 2/2] KVM: SVM: drop useless cpumask_test_cpu() in pre_sev_run() Yury Norov
2025-08-11 20:45 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-08-11 21:28 ` Yury Norov
2025-08-11 22:04 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-08-14 0:42 ` Yury Norov [this message]
2025-08-19 23:11 ` [PATCH 0/2] KVM: SVM: fixes for SEV Sean Christopherson
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