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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Rick P Edgecombe <rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com>
Cc: "kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	"pbonzini@redhat.com" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	 Vishal Annapurve <vannapurve@google.com>,
	 "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Yan Y Zhao <yan.y.zhao@intel.com>,
	 "michael.roth@amd.com" <michael.roth@amd.com>,
	Ira Weiny <ira.weiny@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 09/12] KVM: TDX: Fold tdx_mem_page_record_premap_cnt() into its sole caller
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2025 14:57:39 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aLDQ09FP0uX3eJvC@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8670cd6065b428c891a7d008500934a57f09b99f.camel@intel.com>

On Thu, Aug 28, 2025, Rick P Edgecombe wrote:
> On Thu, 2025-08-28 at 13:26 -0700, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > Me confused.  This is pre-boot, not the normal fault path, i.e. blocking other
> > operations is not a concern.
> 
> Just was my recollection of the discussion. I found it:
> https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/Zbrj5WKVgMsUFDtb@google.com/

Ugh, another case where an honest question gets interpreted as "do it this way". :-(

> > If tdh_mr_extend() is too heavy for a non-preemptible section, then the current
> > code is also broken in the sense that there are no cond_resched() calls.  The
> > vast majority of TDX hosts will be using non-preemptible kernels, so without an
> > explicit cond_resched(), there's no practical difference between extending the
> > measurement under mmu_lock versus outside of mmu_lock.
> > 
> > _If_ we need/want to do tdh_mr_extend() outside of mmu_lock, we can and should
> > still do tdh_mem_page_add() under mmu_lock.
> 
> I just did a quick test and we should be on the order of <1 ms per page for the
> full loop. I can try to get some more formal test data if it matters. But that
> doesn't sound too horrible?

1ms is totally reasonable.  I wouldn't bother with any more testing.

> tdh_mr_extend() outside MMU lock is tempting because it doesn't *need* to be
> inside it.

Agreed, and it would eliminate the need for a "flags" argument.  But keeping it
in the mmu_lock critical section means KVM can WARN on failures.  If it's moved
out, then zapping S-EPT entries could induce failure, and I don't think it's
worth going through the effort to ensure it's impossible to trigger S-EPT removal.

Note, temoving S-EPT entries during initialization of the image isn't something
I want to official support, rather it's an endless stream of whack-a-mole due to
obsurce edge cases

Hmm, actually, maybe I take that back.  slots_lock prevents memslot updates,
filemap_invalidate_lock() prevents guest_memfd updates, and mmu_notifier events
shouldn't ever hit S-EPT.  I was worried about kvm_zap_gfn_range(), but the call
from sev.c is obviously mutually exclusive, TDX disallows KVM_X86_QUIRK_IGNORE_GUEST_PAT
so same goes for kvm_noncoherent_dma_assignment_start_or_stop, and while I'm 99%
certain there's a way to trip __kvm_set_or_clear_apicv_inhibit(), the APIC page
has its own non-guest_memfd memslot and so can't be used for the initial image,
which means that too is mutually exclusive.

So yeah, let's give it a shot.  Worst case scenario we're wrong and TDH_MR_EXTEND
errors can be triggered by userspace.

> But maybe a better reason is that we could better handle errors
> outside the fault. (i.e. no 5 line comment about why not to return an error in
> tdx_mem_page_add() due to code in another file).
> 
> I wonder if Yan can give an analysis of any zapping races if we do that.

As above, I think we're good?

  reply	other threads:[~2025-08-28 21:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-27  0:05 [RFC PATCH 00/12] KVM: x86/mmu: TDX post-populate cleanups Sean Christopherson
2025-08-27  0:05 ` [RFC PATCH 01/12] KVM: TDX: Drop PROVE_MMU=y sanity check on to-be-populated mappings Sean Christopherson
2025-08-27  8:14   ` Yan Zhao
2025-08-28  0:37   ` Ira Weiny
2025-08-28  2:13   ` Huang, Kai
2025-08-27  0:05 ` [RFC PATCH 02/12] KVM: x86/mmu: Add dedicated API to map guest_memfd pfn into TDP MMU Sean Christopherson
2025-08-27  8:25   ` Yan Zhao
2025-08-28  0:54     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-28  1:26       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-28  6:23         ` Yan Zhao
2025-08-28 19:40           ` Sean Christopherson
2025-08-29  1:16             ` Yan Zhao
2025-09-01  0:39               ` Yan Zhao
2025-08-28  6:55       ` Yan Zhao
2025-08-28  0:40   ` Ira Weiny
2025-08-28  1:51     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-28 19:57       ` Sean Christopherson
2025-08-27  0:05 ` [RFC PATCH 03/12] Revert "KVM: x86/tdp_mmu: Add a helper function to walk down the TDP MMU" Sean Christopherson
2025-08-27  0:05 ` [RFC PATCH 04/12] KVM: x86/mmu: Rename kvm_tdp_map_page() to kvm_tdp_prefault_page() Sean Christopherson
2025-08-28  2:01   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-28 18:50     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-08-28 19:04       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-27  0:05 ` [RFC PATCH 05/12] KVM: TDX: Drop superfluous page pinning in S-EPT management Sean Christopherson
2025-08-27  8:33   ` Yan Zhao
2025-08-28  2:05     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-28 20:16       ` Sean Christopherson
2025-08-28  0:36   ` Ira Weiny
2025-08-28  7:08     ` Yan Zhao
2025-08-28 15:54       ` Ira Weiny
2025-08-28  2:45   ` Huang, Kai
2025-08-27  0:05 ` [RFC PATCH 06/12] KVM: TDX: Return -EIO, not -EINVAL, on a KVM_BUG_ON() condition Sean Christopherson
2025-08-27  8:39   ` Yan Zhao
2025-08-27 17:26     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-08-28  2:11   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-28 19:21     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-08-28 20:13       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-28 21:00         ` Sean Christopherson
2025-08-28 21:19           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-28 21:34             ` Sean Christopherson
2025-08-28 15:03   ` Ira Weiny
2025-08-27  0:05 ` [RFC PATCH 07/12] KVM: TDX: Avoid a double-KVM_BUG_ON() in tdx_sept_zap_private_spte() Sean Christopherson
2025-08-28  2:19   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-28 14:50     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-29  1:10       ` Yan Zhao
2025-08-28 15:02   ` Ira Weiny
2025-08-27  0:05 ` [RFC PATCH 08/12] KVM: TDX: Use atomic64_dec_return() instead of a poor equivalent Sean Christopherson
2025-08-28  2:56   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-28  6:48     ` Yan Zhao
2025-08-28 19:14       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-28 22:33         ` Sean Christopherson
2025-08-28 23:18           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-28 15:03   ` Ira Weiny
2025-08-27  0:05 ` [RFC PATCH 09/12] KVM: TDX: Fold tdx_mem_page_record_premap_cnt() into its sole caller Sean Christopherson
2025-08-27  9:02   ` Yan Zhao
2025-08-27 19:08     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-08-28  3:13       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-28  5:56         ` Yan Zhao
2025-08-28 19:08           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-28  5:43       ` Yan Zhao
2025-08-28 17:00         ` Sean Christopherson
2025-08-28 18:52           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-28 20:26             ` Sean Christopherson
2025-08-28 21:33               ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-28 21:57                 ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2025-08-28 23:17                   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-29  6:08                   ` Yan Zhao
2025-08-28 22:06                 ` Ira Weiny
2025-08-28 23:17                   ` Sean Christopherson
2025-08-29  0:35                     ` Ira Weiny
2025-08-29  6:06                 ` Yan Zhao
2025-08-28 21:44             ` Sean Christopherson
2025-08-29  2:42             ` Binbin Wu
2025-08-29  2:31           ` Yan Zhao
2025-08-29  6:33             ` Yan Zhao
2025-08-28 15:30       ` Ira Weiny
2025-08-28 15:28     ` Ira Weiny
2025-08-27  0:05 ` [RFC PATCH 10/12] KVM: TDX: Assert that slots_lock is held when nr_premapped is accessed Sean Christopherson
2025-08-27  0:05 ` [RFC PATCH 11/12] KVM: TDX: Track nr_premapped as an "unsigned long", not an "atomic64_t" Sean Christopherson
2025-08-27  9:12   ` Yan Zhao
2025-08-27  0:05 ` [RFC PATCH 12/12] KVM: TDX: Rename nr_premapped to nr_pending_tdh_mem_page_adds Sean Christopherson
2025-08-27  9:22   ` Yan Zhao
2025-08-28 15:23   ` Ira Weiny
2025-08-27  9:48 ` [RFC PATCH 00/12] KVM: x86/mmu: TDX post-populate cleanups Yan Zhao
2025-08-28 19:01 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-28 23:19   ` Sean Christopherson

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