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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Rick P Edgecombe <rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com>
Cc: Yan Y Zhao <yan.y.zhao@intel.com>,
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 02/23] x86/virt/tdx: Add SEAMCALL wrapper tdh_mem_page_demote()
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2025 10:37:26 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aLcrVp6_9gNrp1Bn@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87fe45aae8d0812bd3aec956e407c3cc88234b34.camel@intel.com>

On Tue, Sep 02, 2025, Rick P Edgecombe wrote:
> On Mon, 2025-09-01 at 17:08 +0800, Yan Zhao wrote:
> > > The cover letter mentions that there is a new TDX module in planning, which
> > > disables the interrupt checking. I guess TDX module would need to have a
> > > interface to report the change, KVM then decides to enable huge page support
> > > or not for TDs?
> > Yes. But I guess detecting TDX module version or if it supports certain
> > feature is a generic problem. e.g., certain versions of TDX module have bugs
> > in zero-step mitigation and may block vCPU entering.
> > 
> 
> We had talked in the past of not checking versions because it would require KVM
> to keep logic of which features in which TDX module.

Checking for features is different from refusing to load broken modules.  I don't
want KVM to rely on version numbers to query features, because that relies on
"newer" module versions always being a superset relative to "older" versions.

> If there is a flag we could check it, but we did not ask for one here. We
> already have a situation where there are bug fixes that KVM depends on, with no
> way to check.
> 
> I guess the difference here is that if the behavior is missing, KVM has an
> option to continue with just small pages. But at the same time, huge pages is
> very likely to succeed in either case. The "feature" is closer to closing a
> theoretical race. So very much like the many bugs we don't check for. I'm
> leaning towards lumping it into that category. And we can add "how do we want to
> check for TDX module bugs" to the arch todo list. But it's probably down the
> list, if we even want to do anything.
> 
> What do you think?

Could we taint the kernel and print a scary message if a known-buggy TDX module
is loaded?

  reply	other threads:[~2025-09-02 17:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 129+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-07  9:39 [RFC PATCH v2 00/23] KVM: TDX huge page support for private memory Yan Zhao
2025-08-07  9:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 01/23] x86/tdx: Enhance tdh_mem_page_aug() to support huge pages Yan Zhao
2025-08-07  9:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 02/23] x86/virt/tdx: Add SEAMCALL wrapper tdh_mem_page_demote() Yan Zhao
2025-09-01  8:55   ` Binbin Wu
2025-09-01  9:08     ` Yan Zhao
2025-09-02 16:56       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-09-02 17:37         ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2025-09-02 17:45           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-09-04  9:31             ` Yan Zhao
2025-11-11  9:15       ` Huang, Kai
2025-11-12  8:06         ` Yan Zhao
2025-11-14  9:14           ` Binbin Wu
2025-11-14  9:21             ` Yan Zhao
2025-08-07  9:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 03/23] x86/tdx: Enhance tdh_phymem_page_wbinvd_hkid() to invalidate huge pages Yan Zhao
2025-11-11  9:23   ` Huang, Kai
2025-11-12  8:43     ` Yan Zhao
2025-11-12 10:29       ` Huang, Kai
2025-11-13  2:35         ` Yan Zhao
2025-11-13  7:37           ` Huang, Kai
2025-11-13  9:03             ` Yan Zhao
2025-11-13 15:26             ` Dave Hansen
2025-11-14  1:21               ` Yan Zhao
2025-12-10  1:14   ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-12-10  1:18     ` Yan Zhao
2025-12-10  1:30       ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-12-10  1:55         ` Yan Zhao
2025-12-31 19:37           ` Vishal Annapurve
2026-01-06 10:37             ` Yan Zhao
2025-08-07  9:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 04/23] KVM: TDX: Introduce tdx_clear_folio() to clear " Yan Zhao
2025-09-02  2:56   ` Binbin Wu
2025-09-03  9:51     ` Yan Zhao
2025-09-03 11:19       ` Binbin Wu
2025-09-04  2:53         ` Yan Zhao
2025-08-07  9:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 05/23] x86/tdx: Enhance tdh_phymem_page_reclaim() to support " Yan Zhao
2025-11-17  2:09   ` Binbin Wu
2025-11-17  4:05     ` Yan Zhao
2025-08-07  9:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 06/23] KVM: TDX: Do not hold page refcount on private guest pages Yan Zhao
2025-08-07  9:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 07/23] KVM: x86/mmu: Disallow page merging (huge page adjustment) for mirror root Yan Zhao
2025-08-07  9:43 ` [RFC PATCH v2 08/23] KVM: x86/tdp_mmu: Alloc external_spt page for mirror page table splitting Yan Zhao
2025-11-11  9:52   ` Huang, Kai
2025-11-12  9:29     ` Yan Zhao
2025-08-07  9:43 ` [RFC PATCH v2 09/23] KVM: x86/tdp_mmu: Add split_external_spt hook called during write mmu_lock Yan Zhao
2025-11-11 10:06   ` Huang, Kai
2025-11-13  3:16     ` Yan Zhao
2025-11-17  8:53   ` Binbin Wu
2025-11-17  9:09     ` Yan Zhao
2025-08-07  9:43 ` [RFC PATCH v2 10/23] KVM: TDX: Enable huge page splitting under write kvm->mmu_lock Yan Zhao
2025-11-11 10:20   ` Huang, Kai
2025-11-13  5:53     ` Yan Zhao
2025-11-17  9:17       ` Binbin Wu
2025-11-17  9:26         ` Yan Zhao
2025-12-09 23:49   ` Sagi Shahar
2025-12-09 23:54     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-12-10  0:28       ` Sagi Shahar
2025-12-10  0:50         ` Yan Zhao
2025-12-10 17:16           ` Sagi Shahar
2025-12-10 19:49             ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-12-11  2:10               ` Yan Zhao
2025-08-07  9:43 ` [RFC PATCH v2 11/23] KVM: x86: Reject splitting huge pages under shared mmu_lock for mirror root Yan Zhao
2025-09-03  3:30   ` Binbin Wu
2025-08-07  9:43 ` [RFC PATCH v2 12/23] KVM: x86/mmu: Introduce kvm_split_cross_boundary_leafs() Yan Zhao
2025-09-03  6:57   ` Binbin Wu
2025-09-03  9:44     ` Yan Zhao
2025-11-11 10:42   ` Huang, Kai
2025-11-13  8:54     ` Yan Zhao
2025-11-13 11:02       ` Huang, Kai
2025-11-13 11:40         ` Huang, Kai
2025-11-14  6:09         ` Yan Zhao
2025-11-18  0:14           ` Huang, Kai
2025-11-18  6:30             ` Yan Zhao
2025-11-18  8:59               ` Binbin Wu
2025-11-18 10:49               ` Huang, Kai
2025-11-19  3:41                 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:35                   ` Yan Zhao
2025-11-19  6:23                 ` Yan Zhao
2025-11-19  6:31   ` Yan Zhao
2025-08-07  9:44 ` [RFC PATCH v2 13/23] KVM: x86: Introduce hugepage_set_guest_inhibit() Yan Zhao
2025-08-07  9:44 ` [RFC PATCH v2 14/23] KVM: TDX: Split and inhibit huge mappings if a VMExit carries level info Yan Zhao
2025-09-03  7:36   ` Binbin Wu
2025-09-03  9:37     ` Yan Zhao
2025-11-11 10:55   ` Huang, Kai
2025-11-14  1:42     ` Yan Zhao
2025-11-18  0:26       ` Huang, Kai
2025-11-18  2:44         ` Yan Zhao
2025-11-11 11:05   ` Huang, Kai
2025-11-14  7:22     ` Yan Zhao
2025-11-18  1:04       ` Huang, Kai
2025-11-18  2:20         ` Yan Zhao
2025-11-18  9:44           ` Huang, Kai
2025-11-19  2:58             ` Yan Zhao
2025-11-19  5:51   ` Binbin Wu
2025-11-19  6:29     ` Yan Zhao
2025-11-19  6:39       ` Binbin Wu
2025-08-07  9:44 ` [RFC PATCH v2 15/23] KVM: Change the return type of gfn_handler_t() from bool to int Yan Zhao
2025-08-07  9:44 ` [RFC PATCH v2 16/23] KVM: x86: Split cross-boundary mirror leafs for KVM_SET_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES Yan Zhao
2025-08-07  9:45 ` [RFC PATCH v2 17/23] KVM: guest_memfd: Split for punch hole and private-to-shared conversion Yan Zhao
2025-09-04  7:58   ` Binbin Wu
2025-09-04  9:48     ` Yan Zhao
2025-09-04 11:07       ` Yan Zhao
2025-10-01  6:21   ` Ackerley Tng
2025-10-13  0:18     ` Yan Zhao
2025-10-01  8:00   ` Ackerley Tng
2025-10-13  0:45     ` Yan Zhao
2025-08-07  9:45 ` [RFC PATCH v2 18/23] x86/virt/tdx: Do not perform cache flushes unless CLFLUSH_BEFORE_ALLOC is set Yan Zhao
2025-08-11 21:10   ` Sagi Shahar
2025-08-12  6:37     ` Yan Zhao
2025-09-04  8:16   ` Binbin Wu
2025-09-04  9:50     ` Yan Zhao
2025-09-05  9:05       ` Binbin Wu
2025-09-05 15:41   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-09-15  6:05     ` Yan Zhao
2025-08-07  9:45 ` [RFC PATCH v2 19/23] KVM: TDX: Pass down pfn to split_external_spt() Yan Zhao
2025-09-04  8:30   ` Binbin Wu
2025-08-07  9:45 ` [RFC PATCH v2 20/23] KVM: TDX: Handle Dynamic PAMT in tdh_mem_page_demote() Yan Zhao
2025-08-07  9:46 ` [RFC PATCH v2 21/23] KVM: TDX: Preallocate PAMT pages to be used in split path Yan Zhao
2025-09-04  9:17   ` Binbin Wu
2025-09-04  9:58     ` Yan Zhao
2025-12-05  6:14   ` Sagi Shahar
2025-12-08  5:49     ` Yan Zhao
2025-12-11  1:42       ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-12-11  2:36         ` Yan Zhao
2025-08-07  9:46 ` [RFC PATCH v2 22/23] KVM: TDX: Handle Dynamic PAMT on page split Yan Zhao
2025-08-14  5:31   ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-08-14 18:29     ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-08-18  4:19     ` Yan Zhao
2025-08-07  9:46 ` [RFC PATCH v2 23/23] KVM: TDX: Turn on PG_LEVEL_2M after TD is RUNNABLE Yan Zhao
2025-11-11 11:25   ` Huang, Kai
2025-11-14  8:34     ` Yan Zhao
2025-11-18  0:56       ` Huang, Kai

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