kvm.vger.kernel.org archive mirror
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Chao Gao <chao.gao@intel.com>
To: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
Cc: Xin Li <xin@zytor.com>, <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, <bp@alien8.de>,
	<dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>, <hpa@zytor.com>,
	<john.allen@amd.com>, <mingo@redhat.com>,
	<minipli@grsecurity.net>, <mlevitsk@redhat.com>,
	<pbonzini@redhat.com>, <rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com>,
	<tglx@linutronix.de>, <weijiang.yang@intel.com>, <x86@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v13 05/21] KVM: x86: Load guest FPU state when access XSAVE-managed MSRs
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2025 10:55:00 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aMDohALPiu+cwO7G@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aMCIH-0dtjbSbWiI@google.com>

On Tue, Sep 09, 2025 at 01:03:43PM -0700, Sean Christopherson wrote:
>On Tue, Sep 09, 2025, Chao Gao wrote:
>> On Mon, Aug 25, 2025 at 10:55:20AM +0800, Chao Gao wrote:
>> >On Sun, Aug 24, 2025 at 06:52:55PM -0700, Xin Li wrote:
>> >>> diff --git a/arch/x86/kvm/x86.c b/arch/x86/kvm/x86.c
>> >>> index 6b01c6e9330e..799ac76679c9 100644
>> >>> --- a/arch/x86/kvm/x86.c
>> >>> +++ b/arch/x86/kvm/x86.c
>> >>> @@ -4566,6 +4569,21 @@ int kvm_get_msr_common(struct kvm_vcpu *vcpu, struct msr_data *msr_info)
>> >>>   }
>> >>>   EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(kvm_get_msr_common);
>> >>> +/*
>> >>> + *  Returns true if the MSR in question is managed via XSTATE, i.e. is context
>> >>> + *  switched with the rest of guest FPU state.
>> >>> + */
>> >>> +static bool is_xstate_managed_msr(u32 index)
>> >>> +{
>> >>> +	switch (index) {
>> >>> +	case MSR_IA32_U_CET:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Why MSR_IA32_S_CET is not included here?
>
>Because the guest's S_CET must *never* be resident in harware while running in
>the host.  Doing so would create an egregious security issue due to letting the
>guest disabled IBT and/or shadow stacks, or alternatively crash the host by
>enabling one or the other.

+1000

I completely missed this point.

>
>Having guest MSR_IA32_PL[0-3]_SSP resident in hardware while the _kernel_ is
>running is safe, because those MSRs are only consumed on transitions to lower
>privilege levels, i.e. from KVM's perspective, they're effectively user-return
>MSRs that get restored on exit to userspace thanks to kvm_{load,put}_guest_fpu()
>context switching between VMM and guest state (if the vCPU task is preempted,
>the normal context switch code handles swapping state between tasks, it's only
>the VMM vs. guest state that needs dedicated handling since they are the same
>task).
>
>Context switching S_CET as part of XRSTORS very, VERY subtly works by virtue of
>S_CET already being loaded with the host's value on VM-Exit.  I.e. the value
>saved into guest FPU state is always the host's value, and thus the value loaded
>from guest FPU state is always the host's value.

Looks like the host's value for a given vCPU should be constant here. I'm not
sure if this will change in the future, but I think it's unlikely.

>
>And because all of that isn't enough, the final wrinkle is that KVM_{G,S}ET_XSAVE
>only operate on xcr0 / user state, i.e. don't allow userspace to load supervisor
>(S_CET) state into the kernel.

Yes. userspace cannot see supervisor state in guest FPU and should read guest's
S_CET/MSR_IA32_PL[0-3]SSP via KVM_GET_MSRS or KVM_GET_ONE_REG.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-09-10  2:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-21 13:30 [PATCH v13 00/21] Enable CET Virtualization Chao Gao
2025-08-21 13:30 ` [PATCH v13 01/21] KVM: x86: Introduce KVM_{G,S}ET_ONE_REG uAPIs support Chao Gao
2025-08-28 12:58   ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-08-29  0:43     ` Chao Gao
2025-08-29 22:01       ` Sean Christopherson
2025-08-21 13:30 ` [PATCH v13 02/21] KVM: x86: Report XSS as to-be-saved if there are supported features Chao Gao
2025-08-29  6:37   ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-08-21 13:30 ` [PATCH v13 03/21] KVM: x86: Refresh CPUID on write to guest MSR_IA32_XSS Chao Gao
2025-08-29  6:47   ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-08-29 10:40     ` Chao Gao
2025-08-21 13:30 ` [PATCH v13 04/21] KVM: x86: Initialize kvm_caps.supported_xss Chao Gao
2025-08-29  7:05   ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-08-29 10:29     ` Chao Gao
2025-08-21 13:30 ` [PATCH v13 05/21] KVM: x86: Load guest FPU state when access XSAVE-managed MSRs Chao Gao
2025-08-25  1:52   ` Xin Li
2025-08-25  2:55     ` Chao Gao
2025-08-26  6:54       ` Xin Li
2025-09-09  8:18       ` Chao Gao
2025-09-09 20:03         ` Sean Christopherson
2025-09-10  2:55           ` Chao Gao [this message]
2025-08-27  4:56   ` Xin Li
2025-08-27 15:09     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-08-21 13:30 ` [PATCH v13 06/21] KVM: x86: Add fault checks for guest CR4.CET setting Chao Gao
2025-08-21 13:30 ` [PATCH v13 07/21] KVM: x86: Report KVM supported CET MSRs as to-be-saved Chao Gao
2025-08-21 13:30 ` [PATCH v13 08/21] KVM: VMX: Introduce CET VMCS fields and control bits Chao Gao
2025-08-21 13:30 ` [PATCH v13 09/21] KVM: x86: Enable guest SSP read/write interface with new uAPIs Chao Gao
2025-08-21 13:30 ` [PATCH v13 10/21] KVM: VMX: Emulate read and write to CET MSRs Chao Gao
2025-08-21 13:30 ` [PATCH v13 11/21] KVM: x86: Save and reload SSP to/from SMRAM Chao Gao
2025-08-21 13:30 ` [PATCH v13 12/21] KVM: VMX: Set up interception for CET MSRs Chao Gao
2025-08-21 13:30 ` [PATCH v13 13/21] KVM: VMX: Set host constant supervisor states to VMCS fields Chao Gao
2025-08-21 13:30 ` [PATCH v13 14/21] KVM: x86: Don't emulate instructions guarded by CET Chao Gao
2025-08-21 13:30 ` [PATCH v13 15/21] KVM: x86: Enable CET virtualization for VMX and advertise to userspace Chao Gao
2025-08-21 13:30 ` [PATCH v13 16/21] KVM: nVMX: Virtualize NO_HW_ERROR_CODE_CC for L1 event injection to L2 Chao Gao
2025-08-21 13:30 ` [PATCH v13 17/21] KVM: nVMX: Prepare for enabling CET support for nested guest Chao Gao
2025-08-21 13:30 ` [PATCH v13 18/21] KVM: nVMX: Add consistency checks for CR0.WP and CR4.CET Chao Gao
2025-08-21 13:30 ` [PATCH v13 19/21] KVM: nVMX: Add consistency checks for CET states Chao Gao
2025-08-21 13:30 ` [PATCH v13 20/21] KVM: nVMX: Advertise new VM-Entry/Exit control bits for CET state Chao Gao
2025-08-21 13:30 ` [PATCH v13 21/21] KVM: selftest: Add tests for KVM_{GET,SET}_ONE_REG Chao Gao
2025-08-21 13:35 ` [PATCH v13 00/21] Enable CET Virtualization Chao Gao

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=aMDohALPiu+cwO7G@intel.com \
    --to=chao.gao@intel.com \
    --cc=bp@alien8.de \
    --cc=dave.hansen@linux.intel.com \
    --cc=hpa@zytor.com \
    --cc=john.allen@amd.com \
    --cc=kvm@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=mingo@redhat.com \
    --cc=minipli@grsecurity.net \
    --cc=mlevitsk@redhat.com \
    --cc=pbonzini@redhat.com \
    --cc=rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com \
    --cc=seanjc@google.com \
    --cc=tglx@linutronix.de \
    --cc=weijiang.yang@intel.com \
    --cc=x86@kernel.org \
    --cc=xin@zytor.com \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for NNTP newsgroup(s).