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From: Lukas Wunner <lukas@wunner.de>
To: Farhan Ali <alifm@linux.ibm.com>
Cc: Benjamin Block <bblock@linux.ibm.com>,
	linux-s390@vger.kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-pci@vger.kernel.org,
	alex.williamson@redhat.com, helgaas@kernel.org, clg@redhat.com,
	schnelle@linux.ibm.com, mjrosato@linux.ibm.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 01/10] PCI: Avoid saving error values for config space
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2025 20:14:42 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aOaqEhLOzWzswx8O@wunner.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <21ef5524-738a-43d5-bc9a-87f907a8aa70@linux.ibm.com>

On Wed, Oct 08, 2025 at 10:56:35AM -0700, Farhan Ali wrote:
> On 10/8/2025 6:34 AM, Lukas Wunner wrote:
> > I'm not sure yet.  Let's back up a little:  I'm missing an
> > architectural description how you're intending to do error
> > recovery in the VM.  If I understand correctly, you're
> > informing the VM of the error via the ->error_detected() callback.
> > 
> > You're saying you need to check for accessibility of the device
> > prior to resetting it from the VM, does that mean you're attempting
> > a reset from the ->error_detected() callback?
> > 
> > According to Documentation/PCI/pci-error-recovery.rst, the device
> > isn't supposed to be considered accessible in ->error_detected().
> > The first callback which allows access is ->mmio_enabled().
> > 
> 
> The ->error_detected() callback is used to inform userspace of an error. In
> the case of a VM, using QEMU as a userspace, once notified of an error QEMU
> will inject an error into the guest in s390x architecture specific way [1]
> (probably should have linked the QEMU series in the cover letter). Once
> notified of the error VM's device driver will drive the recovery action. The
> recovery action require a reset of the device and on s390x PCI devices are
> reset using architecture specific instructions (zpci_device_hot_reset()).

According to Documentation/PCI/pci-error-recovery.rst:

   "STEP 1: Notification
    --------------------
    Platform calls the error_detected() callback on every instance of
    every driver affected by the error.
    At this point, the device might not be accessible anymore, [...]
    it gives the driver a chance to cleanup, waiting for pending stuff
    (timers, whatever, etc...) to complete; it can take semaphores,
    schedule, etc... everything but touch the device."
                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

And yet you're touching the device by trying to reset it.

The code you're introducing in patch [01/10] only becomes necessary
because you're not following the above-quoted protocol.  If you
follow the protocol, patch [01/10] becomes unnecessary.

> > I also don't quite understand why the VM needs to perform a reset.
> > Why can't you just let the VM tell the host that a reset is needed
> > (PCI_ERS_RESULT_NEED_RESET) and then the host resets the device on
> > behalf of the VM?

Could you answer this question please?

Thanks,

Lukas

  reply	other threads:[~2025-10-08 18:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-24 17:16 [PATCH v4 00/10] Error recovery for vfio-pci devices on s390x Farhan Ali
2025-09-24 17:16 ` [PATCH v4 01/10] PCI: Avoid saving error values for config space Farhan Ali
2025-10-01 15:15   ` Benjamin Block
2025-10-01 17:12     ` Farhan Ali
2025-10-02  9:16       ` Benjamin Block
2025-10-04 14:54       ` Lukas Wunner
2025-10-06 17:54         ` Farhan Ali
2025-10-06 19:26           ` Lukas Wunner
2025-10-06 21:35             ` Farhan Ali
2025-10-08 13:34               ` Lukas Wunner
2025-10-08 17:56                 ` Farhan Ali
2025-10-08 18:14                   ` Lukas Wunner [this message]
2025-10-08 21:55                     ` Farhan Ali
2025-10-09  4:52                       ` Lukas Wunner
2025-10-09 17:02                         ` Farhan Ali
2025-10-12  6:43                           ` Lukas Wunner
2025-10-09  9:12                     ` Niklas Schnelle
2025-10-12  6:34                       ` Lukas Wunner
2025-10-14 12:07                         ` Niklas Schnelle
2025-10-16 21:00                           ` Farhan Ali
2025-10-19 14:34                           ` Lukas Wunner
2025-10-20  8:59                             ` Niklas Schnelle
2025-11-22 10:58                               ` Lukas Wunner
2025-09-24 17:16 ` [PATCH v4 02/10] PCI: Add additional checks for flr reset Farhan Ali
2025-09-30 10:03   ` Benjamin Block
2025-09-30 17:04     ` Farhan Ali
2025-10-01  8:33       ` Benjamin Block
2025-10-01 14:37   ` Benjamin Block
2025-09-24 17:16 ` [PATCH v4 03/10] PCI: Allow per function PCI slots Farhan Ali
2025-10-01 14:34   ` Benjamin Block
2025-09-24 17:16 ` [PATCH v4 04/10] s390/pci: Add architecture specific resource/bus address translation Farhan Ali
2025-09-25 10:54   ` Niklas Schnelle
2025-10-01 16:04     ` Benjamin Block
2025-10-01 18:01       ` Farhan Ali
2025-10-02 12:58   ` Niklas Schnelle
2025-10-02 17:00     ` Bjorn Helgaas
2025-10-02 17:16       ` Ilpo Järvinen
2025-10-02 18:14       ` Niklas Schnelle
2025-09-24 17:16 ` [PATCH v4 05/10] s390/pci: Restore IRQ unconditionally for the zPCI device Farhan Ali
2025-09-24 17:16 ` [PATCH v4 06/10] s390/pci: Update the logic for detecting passthrough device Farhan Ali
2025-09-24 17:16 ` [PATCH v4 07/10] s390/pci: Store PCI error information for passthrough devices Farhan Ali
2025-09-25 14:28   ` Niklas Schnelle
2025-09-25 16:29     ` Farhan Ali
2025-09-24 17:16 ` [PATCH v4 08/10] vfio-pci/zdev: Add a device feature for error information Farhan Ali
2025-09-25  8:04   ` kernel test robot
2025-09-24 17:16 ` [PATCH v4 09/10] vfio: Add a reset_done callback for vfio-pci driver Farhan Ali
2025-09-24 17:16 ` [PATCH v4 10/10] vfio: Remove the pcie check for VFIO_PCI_ERR_IRQ_INDEX Farhan Ali

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