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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Ira Weiny <ira.weiny@intel.com>
Cc: Sagi Shahar <sagis@google.com>,
	linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org,
	 Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Shuah Khan <shuah@kernel.org>,
	 Ackerley Tng <ackerleytng@google.com>,
	Ryan Afranji <afranji@google.com>,
	 Andrew Jones <ajones@ventanamicro.com>,
	Isaku Yamahata <isaku.yamahata@intel.com>,
	 Erdem Aktas <erdemaktas@google.com>,
	Rick Edgecombe <rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com>,
	 Roger Wang <runanwang@google.com>,
	Binbin Wu <binbin.wu@linux.intel.com>,
	 Oliver Upton <oliver.upton@linux.dev>,
	"Pratik R. Sampat" <pratikrajesh.sampat@amd.com>,
	 Reinette Chatre <reinette.chatre@intel.com>,
	Chao Gao <chao.gao@intel.com>,
	 Chenyi Qiang <chenyi.qiang@intel.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v12 20/23] KVM: selftests: Add support for TDX TDCALL from guest
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2025 09:01:18 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aQTdTkMIukzt-YlA@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aQTSdk3JtFu1qOMj@google.com>

On Fri, Oct 31, 2025, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 31, 2025, Ira Weiny wrote:
> > Sagi Shahar wrote:
> > > From: Erdem Aktas <erdemaktas@google.com>
> > > 
> > > Add support for TDX guests to issue TDCALLs to the TDX module.
> > 
> > Generally it is nice to have more details.  As someone new to TDX I
> > have to remind myself what a TDCALL is.  And any random kernel developer
> > reading this in the future will likely have even less clue than me.
> > 
> > Paraphrased from the spec:
> > 
> > TDCALL is the instruction used by the guest TD software (in TDX non-root
> > mode) to invoke guest-side TDX functions.  TDG.VP.VMCALL helps invoke
> > services from the host VMM.
> > 
> > Add support for TDX guests to invoke services from the host VMM.
> 
> Eh, at some point a baseline amount of knowledge is required.  I highly doubt
> regurgitating the spec is going to make a huge difference
> 
> I also dislike the above wording, because it doesn't help understand _why_ KVM
> selftests need to support TDCALL, or _how_ the functionality will be utilized.
> E.g. strictly speaking, we could write KVM selftests without ever doing a single
> TDG.VP.VMCALL, because we control both sides (guest and VMM).  And I have a hard
> time belive name-dropping TDG.VP.VMCALL is going to connect the dots between
> TDCALL and the "tunneling" scheme defined by the GHCI for requesting emulation
> of "legacy" functionality".
> 
> What I would like to know is why selftests are copy-pasting the kernel's scheme
> for marshalling data to/from the registers used by TDCALL, 

I almost forgot.  I detest the "throw everything into a structure" approach,
which the kernel used largely so that it could share code between SEAMCALLs and
TDCALLs.  Unless there's a good reason no to, I would much rather have prototypes
like

  uint64_t __tdvmcall(<all the args>)
  uint64_t tdvmcall_1(uint64_t arg1);
  uint64_t tdvmcall_2(uint64_t arg1, uint64_t arg2);
  uint64_t tdvmcall_3(...);
  uint65_t tdvmcall_4(...);
  uint64_t tdvmcall_5(...);
  uint64_t tdvmcall_6(...);

  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-10-31 16:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-28 21:20 [PATCH v12 00/23] TDX KVM selftests Sagi Shahar
2025-10-28 21:20 ` [PATCH v12 01/23] KVM: selftests: Add macros so simplify creating VM shapes for non-default types Sagi Shahar
2025-10-29  1:13   ` Ira Weiny
2025-10-29  6:57   ` Binbin Wu
2025-10-31  3:42   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-10-28 21:20 ` [PATCH v12 02/23] KVM: selftests: Allocate pgd in virt_map() as necessary Sagi Shahar
2025-10-31  3:51   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-10-28 21:20 ` [PATCH v12 03/23] KVM: selftests: Expose functions to get default sregs values Sagi Shahar
2025-10-29  1:40   ` Ira Weiny
2025-10-31  3:43   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-10-28 21:20 ` [PATCH v12 04/23] KVM: selftests: Expose function to allocate guest vCPU stack Sagi Shahar
2025-10-29 13:24   ` Ira Weiny
2025-10-31  3:52   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-10-28 21:20 ` [PATCH v12 05/23] KVM: selftests: Update kvm_init_vm_address_properties() for TDX Sagi Shahar
2025-10-29 15:22   ` Ira Weiny
2025-10-31  3:53   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-10-28 21:20 ` [PATCH v12 06/23] KVM: selftests: Expose segment definitons to assembly files Sagi Shahar
2025-10-31  3:54   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-10-28 21:20 ` [PATCH v12 07/23] KVM: selftests: Add kbuild definitons Sagi Shahar
2025-10-29  7:43   ` Binbin Wu
2025-10-29 15:46     ` Ira Weiny
2025-10-29 15:55   ` Ira Weiny
2025-10-31  3:56   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-10-28 21:20 ` [PATCH v12 08/23] KVM: selftests: Define structs to pass parameters to TDX boot code Sagi Shahar
2025-10-29 16:37   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-10-30 14:20     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-10-31  4:01   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-11-26 22:32   ` Ira Weiny
2025-12-01 20:28     ` Ira Weiny
2025-10-28 21:20 ` [PATCH v12 09/23] KVM: selftests: Add " Sagi Shahar
2025-10-28 21:20 ` [PATCH v12 10/23] KVM: selftests: Set up TDX boot code region Sagi Shahar
2025-10-28 21:20 ` [PATCH v12 11/23] KVM: selftests: Set up TDX boot parameters region Sagi Shahar
2025-10-29  8:52   ` Binbin Wu
2025-10-29 21:01   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-10-28 21:20 ` [PATCH v12 12/23] KVM: selftests: Add helper to initialize TDX VM Sagi Shahar
2025-10-29 21:16   ` Ira Weiny
2025-10-29 23:01     ` Reinette Chatre
2025-10-30  1:25   ` Binbin Wu
2025-10-31  4:06   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-10-28 21:20 ` [PATCH v12 13/23] KVM: selftests: TDX: Use KVM_TDX_CAPABILITIES to validate TDs' attribute configuration Sagi Shahar
2025-10-29 21:19   ` Ira Weiny
2025-10-30  1:35   ` Binbin Wu
2025-10-28 21:20 ` [PATCH v12 14/23] KVM: selftests: Add helpers to init TDX memory and finalize VM Sagi Shahar
2025-10-29 21:27   ` Ira Weiny
2025-10-30  2:32   ` Binbin Wu
2025-10-31 15:58   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-10-28 21:20 ` [PATCH v12 15/23] KVM: selftests: Call TDX init when creating a new TDX vm Sagi Shahar
2025-10-30 22:20   ` Ira Weiny
2025-10-31 16:03   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-10-28 21:20 ` [PATCH v12 16/23] KVM: selftests: Setup memory regions for TDX on vm creation Sagi Shahar
2025-10-29 13:18   ` Ira Weiny
2025-10-30  6:01     ` Binbin Wu
2025-10-28 21:20 ` [PATCH v12 17/23] KVM: selftests: Call KVM_TDX_INIT_VCPU when creating a new TDX vcpu Sagi Shahar
2025-10-30  6:15   ` Binbin Wu
2025-10-28 21:20 ` [PATCH v12 18/23] KVM: selftests: Set entry point for TDX guest code Sagi Shahar
2025-10-31 16:03   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-10-28 21:20 ` [PATCH v12 19/23] KVM: selftests: Finalize TD memory as part of kvm_arch_vm_finalize_vcpus Sagi Shahar
2025-10-31 13:10   ` Ira Weiny
2025-10-31 16:05   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-10-28 21:20 ` [PATCH v12 20/23] KVM: selftests: Add support for TDX TDCALL from guest Sagi Shahar
2025-10-31 14:11   ` Ira Weiny
2025-10-31 15:15     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-10-31 15:58       ` Sagi Shahar
2025-10-31 16:12         ` Sean Christopherson
2025-10-31 16:01       ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2025-10-28 21:20 ` [PATCH v12 21/23] KVM: selftests: Add wrapper for TDX MMIO " Sagi Shahar
2025-10-31 14:21   ` Ira Weiny
2025-10-28 21:20 ` [PATCH v12 22/23] KVM: selftests: Add ucall support for TDX Sagi Shahar
2025-10-31 14:38   ` Ira Weiny
2025-10-31 15:55   ` Sean Christopherson
2025-10-28 21:20 ` [PATCH v12 23/23] KVM: selftests: Add TDX lifecycle test Sagi Shahar

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