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From: Kiryl Shutsemau <kas@kernel.org>
To: "Edgecombe, Rick P" <rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com>
Cc: "Verma, Vishal L" <vishal.l.verma@intel.com>,
	 "seanjc@google.com" <seanjc@google.com>,
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	 "linux-coco@lists.linux.dev" <linux-coco@lists.linux.dev>,
	"kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 3/5] x86/virt/tdx: Add SEAMCALL wrapper for TDH.SYS.DISABLE
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2026 10:26:39 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aczZPrNFYxYi0d51@thinkstation> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <944b3fe5fa8955319030a7dfc0ea164bb0266e68.camel@intel.com>

On Tue, Mar 31, 2026 at 09:36:03PM +0000, Edgecombe, Rick P wrote:
> On Tue, 2026-03-31 at 18:22 +0000, Verma, Vishal L wrote:
> > > 
> > > I guess the actual behaviour is dependant on the return code. It is
> > > obviously going to be the case for TDX_SUCCESS. And from the discussion,
> > > I guess that's true for TDX_SYS_BUSY and TDX_INTERRUPTED_RESUMABLE.
> > > 
> > > What about other cases? The spec draft also lists TDX_SYS_NOT_READY and
> > > TDX_SYS_SHUTDOWN.
> > 
> > I think these are safe too - TDX_SYS_SHUTDOWN means the module has
> > already been shutdown, which this seamcall would've done, so things
> > should be in the same state either way.
> > 
> > TDX_SYS_NOT_READY means the module hasn't been initialized yet. This
> > seamcall should just exit, and the module is already blocking any
> > seamcall that need the module to be initialized. The seamcalls to
> > initialize the module will be allowed, as they are after a sys_disable
> > call anyway.
> 
> Should the seamcall return success in the case where it would return
> TDX_SYS_NOT_READY? It is in basically a reset state right? The errors we care
> about are actual errors (TDX_SW_ERROR), so it makes no difference to the code in
> the patch. But it might be a nicer API for the seamcall?

I am not sure. TDX_SYS_NOT_READY can be useful as might indicate
mismatch of system state understanding between kernel and TDX module.

> > > I wounder if it can affect the kernel. Consider the case when kexec
> > > (crash kernel start) happens due to crash on TDX module.
> > > 
> > > Will we be able to shutdown TDX module cleanly and make kexec safe?
> > 
> > Hm  -are the semantics for what happens if there is a crash in the
> > module defined?

I meant kernel crash around/before TDX module initialization. Sorry for
confusion.

> > I think Linux should expect that sys_disable should
> > either start doing its shutdown work, or exit with one of the other
> > defined exit statuses. Anything else would be considered a module bug.
> 
> We often have the question come up about how much we should to guard against
> bugs in the TDX module. I tend to also think we should not do defensive
> programming, same as we do for the kernel. If it's easy to handle something or
> emit a warning it's nice, but otherwise the solution for such cases should be to
> fix the TDX module bug.
> 
> But for the kdump case, we don't actually need sys disable to succeed. The kdump
> kernel will not load the TDX module.

AFAIK, it is possible to start a normal kernel after kdump is done with
kexec (requires memmap= tricks). And the normal kernel might want to use
TDX again.

Not sure if it is done in practice. I would rather go full reboot path
after crash.

> And as for the errata, this already needs a
> special situation to be a problem. But even if it happens, I'd think better to
> try to the kdump. Not sure what the fix would be for that scenario, even if we
> allowed for a large complexity budget. So best effort seems good.
> 
> Does it seem reasonable?

I am probably too picky here. We want to start from make basic kexec
functionality to work for start.

Reviewed-by: Kiryl Shutsemau (Meta) <kas@kernel.org>

-- 
  Kiryl Shutsemau / Kirill A. Shutemov

  reply	other threads:[~2026-04-01  9:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-23 20:59 [PATCH v2 0/5] Fuller TDX kexec support Vishal Verma
2026-03-23 20:59 ` [PATCH v2 1/5] x86/tdx: Move all TDX error defines into <asm/shared/tdx_errno.h> Vishal Verma
2026-03-24  9:49   ` Chao Gao
2026-03-31 19:30   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-03-31 21:46     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-03-23 20:59 ` [PATCH v2 2/5] x86/virt/tdx: Pull kexec cache flush logic into arch/x86 Vishal Verma
2026-03-24 10:03   ` Chao Gao
2026-03-30 11:42   ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-03-31 19:22   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-03-31 22:21     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-03-31 23:04       ` Sean Christopherson
2026-03-31 23:29         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-04-01 15:03         ` Dave Hansen
2026-04-01 17:42           ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-04-01 18:12             ` Sean Christopherson
2026-04-01 18:30               ` Dave Hansen
2026-03-23 20:59 ` [PATCH v2 3/5] x86/virt/tdx: Add SEAMCALL wrapper for TDH.SYS.DISABLE Vishal Verma
2026-03-23 21:54   ` Verma, Vishal L
2026-03-23 22:40   ` Huang, Kai
2026-03-24 10:18   ` Chao Gao
2026-03-30 11:58   ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-03-30 19:25     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-03-31 12:18       ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-03-31 18:22         ` Verma, Vishal L
2026-03-31 21:36           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-04-01  9:26             ` Kiryl Shutsemau [this message]
2026-04-01 14:24             ` Dave Hansen
2026-03-23 20:59 ` [PATCH v2 4/5] x86/tdx: Disable the TDX module during kexec and kdump Vishal Verma
2026-03-23 22:41   ` Huang, Kai
2026-03-30 12:03   ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-03-23 20:59 ` [PATCH v2 5/5] x86/virt/tdx: Remove kexec docs Vishal Verma
2026-03-23 22:41   ` Huang, Kai
2026-03-30 12:04   ` Kiryl Shutsemau

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