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From: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>
To: "Huang, Kai" <kai.huang@intel.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v13 17/22] x86/kexec: Flush cache of TDX private memory
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 08:44:51 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ad1a55eb-0476-401a-9839-eae51e1fd426@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b6b5f6f06ccdbbef900cfe7db87f490aac3e77a4.camel@intel.com>

On 9/18/23 05:08, Huang, Kai wrote:
> On Fri, 2023-09-15 at 10:50 -0700, Dave Hansen wrote:
>> On 9/15/23 10:43, Edgecombe, Rick P wrote:
>>> On Sat, 2023-08-26 at 00:14 +1200, Kai Huang wrote:
>>>> There are two problems in terms of using kexec() to boot to a new
>>>> kernel when the old kernel has enabled TDX: 1) Part of the memory
>>>> pages are still TDX private pages; 2) There might be dirty
>>>> cachelines associated with TDX private pages.
>>> Does TDX support hibernate?
>> No.
>>
>> There's a whole bunch of volatile state that's generated inside the CPU
>> and never leaves the CPU, like the ephemeral key that protects TDX
>> module memory.
>>
>> SGX, for instance, never even supported suspend, IIRC.  Enclaves just
>> die and have to be rebuilt.
> 
> Right.  AFAICT TDX cannot survive from S3 either.  All TDX keys get lost when
> system enters S3.  However I don't think TDX can be rebuilt after resume like
> SGX.  Let me confirm with TDX guys on this.

By "rebuilt" I mean all private data is totally destroyed and rebuilt
from scratch.  The SGX architecture provides zero help other than
delivering a fault and saying: "whoops all your data is gone".

> I think we can register syscore_ops->suspend for TDX, and refuse to suspend when
> TDX is enabled.  This covers hibernate case too.
> 
> In terms of how to check "TDX is enabled", ideally it's better to check whether
> TDX module is actually initialized, but the worst case is we can use
> platform_tdx_enabled(). (I need to think more on this)

*Ideally* the firmware would have a choke point where it could just tell
the OS that it can't suspend rather than the OS having to figure it out.

  reply	other threads:[~2023-09-18 15:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-08-25 12:14 [PATCH v13 00/22] TDX host kernel support Kai Huang
2023-08-25 12:14 ` [PATCH v13 01/22] x86/virt/tdx: Detect TDX during kernel boot Kai Huang
2023-09-08 15:19   ` Dave Hansen
2023-08-25 12:14 ` [PATCH v13 02/22] x86/tdx: Define TDX supported page sizes as macros Kai Huang
2023-08-25 12:14 ` [PATCH v13 03/22] x86/virt/tdx: Make INTEL_TDX_HOST depend on X86_X2APIC Kai Huang
2023-08-25 12:14 ` [PATCH v13 04/22] x86/cpu: Detect TDX partial write machine check erratum Kai Huang
2023-09-08 15:22   ` Dave Hansen
2023-09-11 12:39     ` Huang, Kai
2023-08-25 12:14 ` [PATCH v13 05/22] x86/virt/tdx: Handle SEAMCALL no entropy error in common code Kai Huang
2023-09-08 16:21   ` Dave Hansen
2023-09-11 11:41     ` Huang, Kai
2023-08-25 12:14 ` [PATCH v13 06/22] x86/virt/tdx: Add SEAMCALL error printing for module initialization Kai Huang
2023-09-07 12:45   ` Nikolay Borisov
2023-09-08 10:33     ` Huang, Kai
2023-09-08 10:38       ` Nikolay Borisov
2023-09-08 11:00         ` Huang, Kai
2023-09-08 16:31   ` Dave Hansen
2023-09-11 12:07     ` Huang, Kai
2023-08-25 12:14 ` [PATCH v13 07/22] x86/virt/tdx: Add skeleton to enable TDX on demand Kai Huang
2023-09-07 14:19   ` Nikolay Borisov
2023-09-08 10:16     ` Huang, Kai
2023-08-25 12:14 ` [PATCH v13 08/22] x86/virt/tdx: Get information about TDX module and TDX-capable memory Kai Huang
2023-08-25 12:14 ` [PATCH v13 09/22] x86/virt/tdx: Use all system memory when initializing TDX module as TDX memory Kai Huang
2023-08-25 12:14 ` [PATCH v13 10/22] x86/virt/tdx: Add placeholder to construct TDMRs to cover all TDX memory regions Kai Huang
2023-08-25 12:14 ` [PATCH v13 11/22] x86/virt/tdx: Fill out " Kai Huang
2023-08-25 12:14 ` [PATCH v13 12/22] x86/virt/tdx: Allocate and set up PAMTs for TDMRs Kai Huang
2023-08-25 12:14 ` [PATCH v13 13/22] x86/virt/tdx: Designate reserved areas for all TDMRs Kai Huang
2023-08-25 12:14 ` [PATCH v13 14/22] x86/virt/tdx: Configure TDX module with the TDMRs and global KeyID Kai Huang
2023-08-25 12:14 ` [PATCH v13 15/22] x86/virt/tdx: Configure global KeyID on all packages Kai Huang
2023-08-25 12:14 ` [PATCH v13 16/22] x86/virt/tdx: Initialize all TDMRs Kai Huang
2023-08-25 12:14 ` [PATCH v13 17/22] x86/kexec: Flush cache of TDX private memory Kai Huang
2023-09-15 17:43   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-09-15 17:50     ` Dave Hansen
2023-09-18 12:08       ` Huang, Kai
2023-09-18 15:44         ` Dave Hansen [this message]
2023-09-18 22:14           ` Huang, Kai
2023-08-25 12:14 ` [PATCH v13 18/22] x86/virt/tdx: Keep TDMRs when module initialization is successful Kai Huang
2023-09-15 23:10   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-09-15 23:10   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-08-25 12:14 ` [PATCH v13 19/22] x86/virt/tdx: Improve readibility of module initialization error handling Kai Huang
2023-09-15 23:14   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-08-25 12:14 ` [PATCH v13 20/22] x86/kexec(): Reset TDX private memory on platforms with TDX erratum Kai Huang
2023-09-14 21:36   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-09-15 11:42     ` Huang, Kai
2023-09-15 16:42       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-09-18  4:36         ` Huang, Kai
2023-08-25 12:14 ` [PATCH v13 21/22] x86/mce: Improve error log of kernel space TDX #MC due to erratum Kai Huang
2023-08-25 12:14 ` [PATCH v13 22/22] Documentation/x86: Add documentation for TDX host support Kai Huang
2023-09-11 11:32   ` Nikolay Borisov
2023-09-13 11:27     ` Huang, Kai
2023-09-28  7:48 ` [PATCH v13 00/22] TDX host kernel support Nikolay Borisov
2023-09-28 10:19   ` Huang, Kai

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