From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@kernel.org>,
Jim Mattson <jmattson@google.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Binbin Wu <binbin.wu@linux.intel.com>,
Vishal L Verma <vishal.l.verma@intel.com>,
kvm <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
Rick P Edgecombe <rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com>,
Binbin Wu <binbin.wu@intel.com>,
"the arch/x86 maintainers" <x86@kernel.org>,
Paolo Bonzini <bonzini@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: CPU Lockups in KVM with deferred hrtimer rearming
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2026 21:02:53 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aefl_RDA7T58u6_i@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CABgObfaNaDYCo_rkkwAnFzKYYe9G9wnz1+yiv0H73CbtE8AXpw@mail.gmail.com>
On Tue, Apr 21, 2026, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> Il mar 21 apr 2026, 19:55 Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com> ha scritto:
> >
> > > > FWIW, VMX should work just like SVM if we clear VM_EXIT_ACK_INTR_ON_EXIT.
> >
> > Hell no.
> >
> > > I know. What's the point of that VM_EXIT_ACK_INTR_ON_EXIT exercise? Is
> > > there any performance benefit or is it just used because it's there?
> >
> > There are performance benefits, and it preserves ordering [...]
> > NMIs are unconditionally "acked" on VM-Exit.
>
> Not that I disagree but...
>
> > Even if performance is "fine", changing decades of fundamental KVM behavior is
> > terrifying.
>
> ... it's not decades, ack on VM exit is actually relatively recent (10
> years out 20 :)). The reason why it was introduced is another killer
> for the idea, though. Posted interrupts require it,
Oh, I forgot about posted interrupts. So yeah, what Paolo said :-)
> for some reason only known to Intel.
My guess is because the ucode that morphs the notification vector into posted
interrupt processing is a sub-clause of the ACK flow. And from an architectural
perspective, having the CPU ACK/dismiss some IRQs (notification vectors) but not
others (everything else) would be kludgy (even more so than special casing the
notification vector already is).
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-04-21 21:02 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-04-16 20:50 CPU Lockups in KVM with deferred hrtimer rearming Verma, Vishal L
2026-04-20 15:00 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-04-20 15:22 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-04-20 20:57 ` Verma, Vishal L
2026-04-20 22:19 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-04-20 22:24 ` Verma, Vishal L
2026-04-21 6:29 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-04-21 4:51 ` Binbin Wu
2026-04-21 7:39 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-04-21 11:18 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-21 11:32 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-21 11:34 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-21 11:49 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-21 12:05 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-21 13:19 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-21 13:29 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-21 16:36 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-04-21 18:11 ` Verma, Vishal L
2026-04-21 17:11 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-04-21 17:20 ` Jim Mattson
2026-04-21 18:29 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-04-21 18:55 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-04-21 20:06 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-21 20:46 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-21 20:57 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-04-21 21:02 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-21 21:42 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-04-22 6:55 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-21 20:39 ` Paolo Bonzini
2026-04-21 21:02 ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2026-04-21 22:48 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-04-21 23:15 ` Paolo Bonzini
2026-04-21 23:34 ` Jim Mattson
2026-04-21 23:37 ` Paolo Bonzini
2026-04-22 2:10 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-04-21 21:49 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-04-21 22:07 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-04-21 22:24 ` Paolo Bonzini
2026-04-21 19:18 ` Verma, Vishal L
2026-04-21 16:30 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-04-21 16:11 ` Verma, Vishal L
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